WARN letter

[Soverytired]

And now for something really different!

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ahr/jobs_careers/occupations/atc/at-cti/

The US government is looking to hire 1800 Air Traffic Controllers. It's a great job, has great benefits, high pay ($95-$130k/yr), good retirement, etc.

The best way to go about this is to go to a EIGHTEEN MONTH college program that offers a sort of "ab initio" program to ATC. (SEE LINK ABOVE) After completing the course, you'll get a highly preferential slot for an ATC job.

Frankly, if I were under 31 I'd be all over this like stink on "sit". I know a guy who did this years ago, and I'm still kicking myself for pursing the flying thing.

Just food for thought. Two years of college then a secure job where you'll probably make more over your career than most pilots. Then buy your own plane and fly it around. That's more fun anyway.

 

[BoilerUP]

ATC'in ain't what it used to be either.

IIRC from when my wife was doing her interviews for IND tower, new controllers start at $35k...and very few now top out at over $100k unless they are very senior in an extremely busy facility.

A job offer was extended, but after facing the prospect of working nights, weekends and holidays for the next decade or more she declined the job...

 

[Soverytired]

ATC'in ain't what it used to be either.

IIRC from when my wife was doing her interviews for IND tower, new controllers start at $35k...and very few now top out at over $100k unless they are very senior in an extremely busy facility.

A job offer was extended, but after facing the prospect of working nights, weekends and holidays for the next decade or more she declined the job...

It's true that the FAA instituted a "B" pay scale. And the big money is definitely in the area control centers instead of the towers (big airports excluded).

ATC hires in waves. There's a bunch of guys retiring now, so chances for movement should be good. Still a risk, but less of a risk than airlines.

Just a thought.

 

[Tarzan]

try accrued, I think it fits

No incurred is better.


1. To meet or fall in with, as something inconvenient,
harmful, or onerous; to put one's self in the way of; to
expose one's self to; to become liable or subject to; to
bring down upon one's self; to encounter; to contract; as,
to incur debt, danger, displeasure, penalty,
responsibility, etc.

 

[T-prop]

One reason for me not leaving MESA was because all of the Seniority I had occurred. Im 1139 out of 1500. My seniority can hold Capt. on the CRJ if I met ICAO mins. No, I was not hired on with only a couple hundred hours.

I had been holding back recently because all the instability in the industry and I thought that the last place to be is at the bottom of somebodys seniority list vulnerable to furlough. I dodged that bullet at RAH by not taking the job(ie folks in training were let go because of the Frontier mess).

I guess I wasnt as senior as I thought. So I have no choice but to bail.

BTW, does Eagle have a ERJ base in MIA?

Start using your J/S privileges to attend job fairs before you have to start buying your own ticket.

Its gonna get pretty competitive for a job out there. You will not get hired as easily as you did at Mesa.

Pssst, MAG's demise has not been a well kept secret and is/was far from an unforeseeable event. I was one of the 700 last year that bailed, I was much senior to you and made a "lateral" move.

Good Luck, if you go to Eagle, you'll see what a real 121 training program is.

 

[pianoman]

Usually incur is used as a negative, whereas accrued is used for amassing a positive thing.

Your savings account doesn't incur interest, it accrues it.

If you spend too much on your credit card, you incur debt.

I would have to say accrue seniority. This is also the term used in most pilot CBA's.

***Yes I'm bored, I'm running daddy day care and haven't talked to anything without fur or over the age of one for a few days.

 

[79%N1]

One reason for me not leaving MESA was because all of the Seniority I had occurred. Im 1139 out of 1500. My seniority can hold Capt. on the CRJ if I met ICAO mins.

How in the H.E.L.L can 1139 out of 1500 hold Captain???? You mean to tell me there are 1100 Captains and 400 FO's, or that over 400 pilots have passed on the upgrade?

 

[Tarzan]

Usually incur is used as a negative, whereas accrued is used for amassing a positive thing.

Your savings account doesn't incur interest, it accrues it.

If you spend too much on your credit card, you incur debt.

I would have to say accrue seniority. This is also the term used in most pilot CBA's.

***Yes I'm bored, I'm running daddy day care and haven't talked to anything without fur or over the age of one for a few days.

Yes, but he did it at MAG, hence the negative connotation.

As for the later, I'm running the same. Wife is gone to visit folks while I am off. Except mine are two and three. The three year old can make for some interesting conversation. Trying to reason her is like reasoning with a tree stump. As far as the boy goes, blink and he's gone and gotten into something else he shouldn't be into.

 

[knewhigher]

How in the H.E.L.L can 1139 out of 1500 hold Captain???? You mean to tell me there are 1100 Captains and 400 FO's, or that over 400 pilots have passed on the upgrade?

A lot of the FOs don't have the time to upgrade or refuse to take IAD as a base.

 

[pdub20s]

A lot of the FOs don't have the time to upgrade or refuse to take IAD as a base.

thank you for taking this one for me..

 

[skypine69]

Am I reading this right? you actually think that being 1139 out of 1500 is senior? JC, what a bunch of morons we have flying airplanes these days. dude i am in the top 15% and I dont really consider myself that senior...

 

[pdub20s]

Am I reading this right? you actually think that being 1139 out of 1500 is senior? JC, what a bunch of morons we have flying airplanes these days. dude i am in the top 15% and I dont really consider myself that senior...

...thats because your gay.

 

[screech]

...thats because your gay.

Did you ACTUALLY get through 4th grade or were you socially promoted? it should read You're as in YOU ARE.

 

[Aerosurfer]

...thats because your gay.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND Now we know why this 'Senior' Guy want to stay at Mesa! I think you just validated your own parking there boss!

 

[pianoman]

Yes, but he did it at MAG, hence the negative connotation.

Well played. Can't argue with that.