FAM's and the Jumpseat

[Shocker]

So I just heard on my last trip that FAM's are trying to push this new deal through that would give them priority over jumpseating pilots for the j.s. Anyone else heard anything of this and if so, what is being done to prevent it?

 

[regionalhell]

Not on my watch

No FAM will EVER ride on my Jumpseat! End of story.

 

[rightseatjocky]

Amen brotha..... no fam will be on mine either.
oops that jumpseat is broken.
Omg there isn't enough O2.
Sucks to be them!!!!

 

[spudskier]

What's the point of a FAM riding jump seat!?!?!? Doesn't that kind of nullify the purpose of their job. Didn't think they could do their job if there were squeezed into the most comfy seat in the house!?

P.S. as a commuter I will personally raise all holy he!!

 

[Metro752]

This is retarded, crappy rumor..

 

[Kaman]

Captain controls access to the cockpit and jumpseating is a privelege not a right unless it is in direct performance of duty. End of story.

 

[viper548]

Not gonna happen on my plane

 

[viper548]

So I just heard on my last trip that FAM's are trying to push this new deal through that would give them priority over jumpseating pilots for the j.s. Anyone else heard anything of this and if so, what is being done to prevent it?

I think they're trying to do this in order to "line check" FFDO's. If neither crewmember is an FFDO, they would have no reason to be up front. If this happens the FFDO program will go downhill fast

 

[Metro752]

I think they're trying to do this in order to "line check" FFDO's. If neither crewmember is an FFDO, they would have no reason to be up front. If this happens the FFDO program will go downhill fast

I swear to God you are mentally challenged. Line check FFDOs? What's next, line checking passengers? Why don't we line check you in the mouth with a giant rubber dog turd.

 

[viper548]

I swear to God you are mentally challenged. Line check FFDOs? What's next, line checking passengers? Why don't we line check you in the mouth with a giant rubber dog turd.

Here's a link. The FAMS want to make sure the proper procedures are being followed since the US Airways incident

http://www.flyingmag.com/article.asp?section_id=12&article_id=696&page_number=3http://www.flyingmag.com/article.asp?section_id=12&article_id=696&page_number=3

 

[bmpilot2003]

I swear to God you are mentally challenged. Line check FFDOs? What's next, line checking passengers? Why don't we line check you in the mouth with a giant rubber dog turd.

metrosexual with another great post. You really are a dumb@ss!

 

[Say Again Over]

You have to admit, it was funny!

 

[ohplease!]

any and all FAMs would be welcome on my jumpseat any day for any reason. You think they have such a wonderful and easy job, apply for it and see if you can get through their training course.

you frickin' morons.

 

[regionalcap]

any and all FAMs would be welcome on my jumpseat any day for any reason. You think they have such a wonderful and easy job, apply for it and see if you can get through their training course.

you frickin' morons.

should they get priority though?

 

[crxpilot]

any and all FAMs would be welcome on my jumpseat any day for any reason. You think they have such a wonderful and easy job, apply for it and see if you can get through their training course.

you frickin' morons.

apparently its a joke:

Ex-marshal: Air marshal training 'a national disgrace'

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/16/griffin.marshal.training/

 

[viper548]

any and all FAMs would be welcome on my jumpseat any day for any reason. You think they have such a wonderful and easy job, apply for it and see if you can get through their training course.

you frickin' morons.

Just wait until you try to go to work around the holidays and these guys use their priority to bump you out of the jumpseat

 

[n757st]

I would not mind them in the jumpseat, nor would I mind FA's in the jumpseat... so long as they all understand that ANY pilot from ANY airline has priority in the seat.

 

[radarlove]

On a related note, the TSA, right after spending their first year's budget in six months (made for a bigger budget the next year!) wanted the jumpseat for TSA execs.

It all went away fairly quickly, but this isn't the first time the TSA has eyed the jumpseat with lust.

This was a proposal that happened at the same time that the one that let TSA execs bypass security. I never heard the outcome from that one, I assume they got what they wanted.

 

[rickair7777]

I would not mind them in the jumpseat, nor would I mind FA's in the jumpseat... so long as they all understand that ANY pilot from ANY airline has priority in the seat.

That's the real problem...once you let them in the jumpseat, they will start angling for priority. The ONLY way to retain control of the JS is to exclude all non-pilots who are not mission-essential (feds, mechanics on a test flight, etc).

Look at the FAA inspectors...they have a business reason to be in the JS, but they have twisted that into having top priority for their own personal travel, any time, any where. This is a serious abuse of government authority...no airline employee should get bumped off of his own airplane because some fed wants to go to LAS or SAN for weekend. Ideally, FAA inspectors should have their official jumpseat rides scheduled by their boss in accordance with some sort of sensible inspection plan. If they're not on a scheduled inspection, they can buy a ticket like the rest of the general public.

If you let FA's on, within a year they will demand (and get) priority over off-line pilots...screw that.

 

[flyjumpseat]

The ONLY way to retain control of the JS is to exclude all non-pilots

From all of us Dispatchers, Thanks a bunch for your support.

 

[Papa Woody]

If she's HOT and wears a bikini, otherwise, NFW!

 

[WalterSobchak]

From all of us Dispatchers, Thanks a bunch for your support.

Ditto...

As someone who has been bumped out of the jumpseat on my company's metal by a Fed who was originally claimed to be "working", yet later admitted he was "just trying to get to L.A.", I'm all for keeping government guys that are abusing the jumpseat out. And the TSA execs...F--K those useless pieces of crap.

However, as far as keeping all of us out...let's not forget some of us outside of the pilot ranks use the jumpseat responsibly to commute and as a last resort when there are no other seats available.

 

[Rally]

I have no problem with mechanics, dispatchers, FA's, ATC employees riding in the jumpseat. TSA is going to make for a mess. I would just ask that pilots get priority and FA's and mechanics, stick to jump seating on their particular airline. The issue of the jumpseat now is security and FA's and mechanics and the guys doing ATC just aren't a real risk.

 

[dojetdriver]

any and all FAMs would be welcome on my jumpseat any day for any reason. You think they have such a wonderful and easy job, apply for it and see if you can get through their training course.

you frickin' morons.

Maybe so, but just like us, they "chose" that life.

 

[dispatchguy]

I asked a friend of mine who has been a FAM from shortly after 9/11, and was in one of the first FAM classes after 9/11.

His response was that it was an "urban legend". He wishes that they did have access (he worked as flight ops management at a major in the early 90s and had jumpseat authority there), but that the higher management shmoes at the TSA wont do it.

So no, no FAMs in the Jumpseat.

 

[machaf]

FAMS will NEVER sit in the jumpseat. END OF STORY!

That article was written in 2006. So believing BS about the AD by the USAir guy is utter BS.

 

[rickair7777]

From all of us Dispatchers, Thanks a bunch for your support.

Nothing personal at all, but I'm a commuter and I need to be able to get to work. A big change in JS priority might make it impossible for many pilots to commute.

The cold, hard fact is that if you give them an inch, they will take a mile...if you let company non-pilots access the jumpseat for personal travel, they will very quickly lobby for access based on company seniority, ie ahead of junior company pilots and all other-airline pilots. The reality is that many pilots went into this industry with the expectation of being able to commute...it's too important for most of us to give up lightly.

 

[WalterSobchak]

Nothing personal at all, but I'm a commuter and I need to be able to get to work. A big change in JS priority might make it impossible for many pilots to commute.

Are you so short-sighted that you truly believe that dispatchers would be put ahead of you in JS priority? Oh, wait...you're a pilot. I forget that so many of you are not capable of anything BUT short-sighted. In that case, let me help you...JS priority at pretty much every carrier is as it should be: Company pilot by seniority, company dispatcher by seniority, off-line pilot by check-in time, off-line dispatcher by check-in time.

I have bumped an off-line pilot out of the jumpseat all of once on my company's metal. I felt bad about it, we tried like hell to figure out a way to get the guy on...but I had to get to work, too and had a much earlier show-time the next morning than that guy...and that's why the priority list exists.

Any major changes affect not only pilots, but affect us, too (*gasp*, yes...other workgroups beyond pilots DO exist). And, if you think a change in JS priority will piss pilots off...take away a dispatcher's JS privileges altogether and see what happens. I think that would be the one thing to force a mass revolt amongst dispatchers everywhere...JS access is the one perk we have left.

Listen, we know it's a privilege and not a right...but, contrary to what you think, it is not the dispatchers (or even the FA's or Mechanics) that you need to be worried about bumping you out of the JS...it is the pieces of crap like TSA execs, etc. trying to gain access that will abuse it that you need to worry about.

 

[dispatchguy]

Commuting dispatcher here - every week - spend 40-50 hours a month in a jumpseat, only bumped a pilot once (a skynAAzi, so it felt gooood)

Those TSA exec jacka$$es better stay the hell away - they have NO BUSINESS in the jumpseat. I would have no prob with a FAM FAM ride where they get a one time ride in the jumpseat like an ATCer, but for mission purposes they need to be behind the chedder curtain; not in front of it.

 

[JAFI]

Look at the FAA inspectors...they have a business reason to be in the JS, but they have twisted that into having top priority for their own personal travel, any time, any where. This is a serious abuse of government authority...no airline employee should get bumped off of his own airplane because some fed wants to go to LAS or SAN for weekend. Ideally, FAA inspectors should have their official jumpseat rides scheduled by their boss in accordance with some sort of sensible inspection plan. If they're not on a scheduled inspection, they can buy a ticket like the rest of the general public.

All Inspector jumpseat requests must be approved by their supervisor as work related. That means going to and from a work location. Supervisors must review Inspector jumpseat activity on a regular basis. I do not know of any Inspector that "goes on vacation" using the jumpseat. It can be grounds for termination. If you have a problem, call their supervisor/office/region.

121.548 Aviation safety inspector's credentials: Admission to pilot's compartment.
Whenever, in performing the duties of conducting an inspection, an inspector of the Federal Aviation Administration presents form FAA 110A, “Aviation Safety Inspector's Credential,” to the pilot in command of an aircraft operated by a certificate holder, the inspector must be given free and uninterrupted access to the pilot's compartment of that aircraft.

121.581 Observer's seat: En route inspections.
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, each certificate holder shall make available a seat on the flight deck of each airplane, used by it in air commerce, for occupancy by the Administrator while conducting en route inspections. The location and equipment of the seat, with respect to its suitability for use in conducting en route inspections, is determined by the Administrator.