USAPA wins...Pilots lose

[PCL_128]

Time for you AirTrannie types to get on the decert ALPA bandwagon.

That would be somewhat difficult, as we're not represented by ALPA (unfortunately).

 

[regionaltard]

Now that ALPA is off the property I think that the West guys have a pretty good argument to have it go to the federally mandated arbitration again.

Why would the West want to re-argue a binding award? They should be prepared to litigate the inevitable USAPA challenge, but the only way they can lose is if they fail to show up.

 

[regionaltard]

It was the will of the pilots. This is a democracy, remember. They were unhappy with what ALPA gave them, and so they kicked them out.

It's mob rule in the guise of democracy. They were unhappy with what their elected representatives were able to obtain for them in an impartial process, so they have now resorted to an attempt to secure it by brute force.

 

[flylike44]

don't pay a dime's worth of dues to them. let's see how long credit card advancements can keep them in business.

 

[TWA Dude]

Wasn't the Nicolau award created in part by the transition agreement.

Actually, the arbitration processs was part of ALPA Merger Policy. The TA is still in effect but it's seperate from the arbitration. The Nic Award will stand because of past precedent. No judge will overturn it.

USAPA will not be able to fulfil its promises and all USAirways pilots will suffer as a result. This is called a pyrrhic victory.

 

[N1N2]

"The US Airways pilots are one of the most senior and experienced pilot groups in the United States. We fly a large fleet of jet aircraft, including the Boeing B-737-300/400 and B-757/767 series, the Airbus A319/320/321 series, and the 266-seat Airbus A330."

"and we have crashed more airplanes than anyone else."

This is excluding the AWA pilot group.

Morons

My friend was the Captain on the LAX crash. He left behind a wonderful Wife and a teenage son. Shame on you!

 

[Occam's Razor]

The Nic Award will stand because of past precedent. No judge will overturn it.

Oh HUH!

Just because the Treaty of Versailles was signed doesn't mean we don't retain the right to bomb the dog snot out of Germany and their stupid Kaiser!

 

[johnnyb]

"The US Airways pilots are one of the most senior and experienced pilot groups in the United States. We fly a large fleet of jet aircraft, including the Boeing B-737-300/400 and B-757/767 series, the Airbus A319/320/321 series, and the 266-seat Airbus A330."

"and we have crashed more airplanes than anyone else."

During the same time frame United had fewer crashes but killed far more of their customers.

Statistics ....

 

[IADBLRJ41]

Pretty amazing that the "East" pilots were so damn close to liquidation, and it was the west comes to its rescue. Fast Fwd three years and the "East" pilots once again took a major step towards liquidation at the West's expense.

ALPA has its faults there is no question about that but today I truly feel sorry for the HP guys.

Not only will the economic conditions of a slowing economy and high oil prices cause problems but East guys are helping the rest of the industry stabilize by putting Airways under for good.

Good Luck!

 

[Captzaahlie]

Oh HUH!

Just because the Treaty of Versailles was signed doesn't mean we don't retain the right to bomb the dog snot out of Germany and their stupid Kaiser!

Like John Belushi said in Animal House,
"Yeah was it all over when the Germans Bombed Pearl harbor?" NOOOOOOOO!

"leave him alone ....he's on a roll....."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PpSFExhRdBA&feature=related

:laugh:


Razor you is cracking me up today......

 

[mach none]

No that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that The federal Government passed a law about 6 months ago forcing "Federally Mandated Arbitration" if the two sides can't come to an agreement. This comes into play if there are two different unions like APA (AA) and ALPA (TWA) merging. When it's ALPA vs APLA it's goes to arbitration anyway so the law doesn't apply. Now that ALPA is off the property I think that the West guys have a pretty good argument to have it go to the federally mandated arbitration again. That may be good or bad who knows. If the west is still operating under a separate contract then I would think you have an argument by saying we are two separate groups so the federally mandated arbitration should apply.

If the initial arbitration holds then it's a non issue.

Just thinking out loud

The law applies to mergers after the date the law was enacted.

 

[Captzaahlie]

During the same time frame United had fewer crashes but killed far more of their customers.

Statistics ....

Thats true you can spin it anyway you like......

 

[FastJP4]

My sympathies to the AWA pilots. Burn the place to the ground. F--- uSAPa, and f--- anyone who voted for them.

PCL, you just never know when to shut up do you. You have no respect for your "brothers & sisters" out there, and you damage your cause with each and every post these days.

No wonder you have lost all credibility and are currently leading the pack for the biggest forum tool out there.

No surprise though since you started your "career" as a PAY FOR JOB POS for Gulfstream. Keep talking out of your ass because you sir are the definition of the term TOOL.

Fast

 

[Fly-n-hi]

All I know is you AAA guys might want to make sure that you stay really far away from PHX. And if you are stupid enough to bid out here make sure you don't park your nice car in the parking lot.

I'm just being realistic.

 

[curtis46]

Managements always outsmart pilot.this time pilots will have nobody to blame but themselves.

 

[Z_Pilot]

Divide and Conquer, management won.

 

[Andy]

My sympathies to the AWA pilots. Burn the place to the ground. F--- uSAPa, and f--- anyone who voted for them.

This is coming from the same person who hassled me for calling it alpo? Go get your alpo doggy treat.



Oh, the irony. Had alpo not pushed for (and gotten) age 65, fences protecting the East would have remained for a while. And there would have been less old Easties voting on this. Would have definitely been a LOT closer vote; alpo may have remained on USAirways' property.
The Law of Unintended Consequences is alive and well. This could be the beginning of the end of alpo.

 

[AlbieF15]

I would agree that 50,000 pilots might have railed against anyone voting ALPA off other companies properties a few years ago, but after the age 65 rule and ALPA supporting the change (even if they DID think it was inevitable) the cost of going against the will of the majority is a very weakened union.

Beginning of the end? Probably not. A very painful period...absolutely.

 

[trainer8]

Vote results:

ALPA - 2254

USAPA- 2723

Thanks to the 400 or so guys on the East for voting for ALPA, I guess you're all not dumb.

Good Luck everyone.

Probably would have been much more. I think ALPA could have won this election if Prater hadn't strong-armed Council 41. That debacle/event probably pushed the rest over the edge for USAPA.

*shakes head in amazement* :erm:

T8

 

[Caspian27]

Divide and Conquer, management won.

Completely Agree...

Just read through the entire Nic Document again, and still think it is about as fair to both sides as you're going to get.

Good luck West!!