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Northwest Reworks Plan
For Merger With Delta

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,Serif]Deal Could Give Pilots [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,Serif]Less Generous Terms[/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times,serif][FONT=times new roman,times,serif]By SUSAN CAREY and PAULO PRADA[/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times,serif]March 28, 2008 3:28 p.m.[/FONT]


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Northwest Airlines Corp. executives have proposed that Delta Air Lines Inc. and Northwest proceed with their planned merger, said people familiar with the matter.
But a jump-started deal wouldn't include the terms of a combined pilot labor agreement and the salary enhancements previously foreseen, they said, because the pilots failed to reach agreement on other terms the companies sought to ease the merger.

While the idea may be unpopular with the pilots, there is nothing to prevent the carriers from taking that course. Delta still is pondering the idea, these people said. But both airlines know that if they are going to proceed, they need to move very quickly so the transaction can be scrutinized before current Justice Department officials leave office at the end of the year when the administration changes.

A Delta spokeswoman declined to confirm whether her company has received a proposal from Northwest to proceed without the support of the pilots. "Our board and senior management will continue to explore strategic options," she said.

The two carriers had an entire deal ready to go in February and required only the final approval of their boards. The terms included a share swap at near market values, with Northwest holders getting a small premium; a $750 million investment by their European marketing partner Air France-KLM SA; and a common pilot labor contract for their combined 11,000 pilots that would give all of them raises, with Northwest's 5,000 aviators getting heftier increases to bring them up to Delta levels.

The combined carrier, which would be the world's largest by traffic, was to keep the Delta name, remain based at Delta's Atlanta headquarters and be run by Richard Anderson, Delta's chief executive officer. Doug Steenland, Northwest's CEO, was expected to take a lesser role as a director or leave the combined enterprise altogether. When the original deal was conceived, the companies didn't foresee layoffs, hub closures or much capacity shrinkage, believing instead that combining would generate a big boost in revenue and some operational efficiencies.

hey held off, however, because they wanted their pilots to agree first on a method of building a single seniority list. Seniority is key to pilot career advancement and dictates what types of planes they fly, whether they are captains or first officers, when they get time off and whether they could be furloughed.

Such agreement isn't required by the pilots' union -- both groups are represented by branches of the Air Line Pilots Association -- or by law in cases of airline mergers. And it's never been done before. But Delta and Northwest figured they could minimize pilot infighting, expedite efficiencies by being able to meld the pilot ranks immediately once the deal was consummated, and win the support of the most powerful employee groups.

The savings generated by that immediate labor integration were to be shared with the pilots in the joint labor contract that was part of the original transaction. The cost to the merged airline, said one individual familiar with the matter, was "significant."
But the two pilot groups couldn't agree on a fair method for integrating their seniority lists. Despite repeated negotiations over many weeks, the discussions hit an impasse earlier this month. The Delta group felt the Northwest pilots were pushing for a system that would jeopardize the seniority and career expectations of Delta pilots. The Northwest group said it was willing to put the issue to a neutral arbitrator, a plan the Delta pilots rejected.

In the past couple of weeks, neither Delta nor Northwest declared the deal formally dead. But their slumping stock prices suggested some investors thought the deal was, which led some investors to press them to move forward without the pilots. At the same time, fuel prices hit historic highs, the economy weakened further and the outlook for the industry took a bearish turn. Delta announced plans to cut 2,000 jobs, ground some aircraft and reduce its domestic capacity. Northwest hinted it may take similar steps.

Against this backdrop, the merger looks even more compelling, said one person familiar with the matter. Combining would give the two a larger network, lower unit costs and a more efficient business, once integration expenses abated. But the risk is that doing the deal will eat up precious liquidity at a time when all airlines are trying to husband cash in case industry conditions deteriorate further.

Thus Northwest proposed that the two go forward on the basis of their earlier merger agreement, said people familiar with the situation. That would remove from the table the effort to obtain a new pilot agreement before consummation of the deal. Typically, those negotiations don't occur until well after the deal is closed and the pilots have hammered out a seniority list. Earlier assumptions that the two wouldn't close hubs, lay off employees or shrink capacity are no longer certain either, with fuel at current high levels, said one person.
If Delta agrees to proceed with the merger, Mr. Anderson, the CEO, would have some explaining to do to his pilots, having said he wouldn't move forward with a combination without protecting the seniority of Delta's employees.

However, Delta has continued to tell its workers it supports industry consolidation. In a memo to employees last week, Mr. Anderson and Ed Bastian, Delta's president and chief financial officer, said, "While the rise in fuel and the weakening economy present near-term challenges, our long-term view remains that consolidation may be the right course of action."


That's my favorite part. I keep thinking about the guy on the movie, The Matrix saying MR. ANDERSON!! LMAO:laugh:


Now is more important than ever to work as 1 ALPA pilot group to make our stance and get ours in all of this if its going to go down anyway.
 
Don't worry about 737Pylt he just thanks that any merger/buyout with his beloved Delta should send everyone to the bottom of the seniority list. Wouldn't matter what the circumstances were, even if Delta were the one being bought. Wait for his ridicilous reply to this post. He'll put some spin on it, about how great a deal they offered the NWA guys......
 
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Don't worry about 737Pylt he just thanks that any merger/buyout with his beloved Delta should send everyone to the bottom of the seniority list. Wouldn't matter what the circumstances were, even if Delta were the one being bought. Wait for his ridicilous reply to this post. He'll put some spin on it, about how great a deal they offered the NWA guys......

Hey zipper:
Isn't it about time for your afternoon bottle and a nap?
Before you know it, school will be out!
I love it how some twa loser has anything to say regarding seniority integration, since he waived his up for the amr buyout of his company! Give your lawyer a call, he seems to be the only one caring about what you have to say!
Now, don't go away mad, just go away!:D

737
 
Hey zipper:
Isn't it about time for your afternoon bottle and a nap?
Before you know it, school will be out!
I love it how some twa loser has anything to say regarding seniority integration, since he waived his up for the amr buyout of his company! Give your lawyer a call, he seems to be the only one caring about what you have to say!
Now, don't go away mad, just go away!:D

737


Apparently another moron who has no idea about what happened. But whatever works for ya....
Thanks for caring, but I'm not mad, I just laugh at idiots like you who are so blind and then have to slam others to make themselves feel better. Keep drinkin the kool-aid that DALPA's feeding you......
 
737 Pylt

You need to calm down a bit. You and I were not part of the negotiations. You don't know what happened. You were not in the room. All we got is hearsay and rumors. You can not blame the NWA pilots for anything. The same thing could be said of the DAL pilots and I am not going there. I am an NWA pilot and I have been in favor of this merger all along. I am willing to give up some seniority. For that, I will gain being part of the largest airline in the world. I checked your seniority list. With a straight ratio integration I loose about 1.5 years. I was hired in May'98 and that would put me next to a Dec'99 hire at DAL. Is that fair??? I won't know until I retire, but I am willing to do it.

This deal has been in the works for years. I don't know about DAL, but NWA has been set up for this day. WE are not going to stop this merger. I say again, we are not going to stop this merger. RAs promise to protect you guys is just words. If he goes back on that promise, he will go or be let go. Someone else will fill his shoes. You think NWA came up with this new 'merger revival' all on it's own? It's been too quiet lately and the executive rats have been scheming. Steenland can be the assh@le again since he is leaving. RA saves face. This is the "DEADLINE" we all have been waiting. Now the pressure is on for us the pilots to get an SLI together or risk loosing our "generous terms"

WE NEED TO START WORKING AS A UNION OR GET SCREWED BY THE RATS.

LET"S STOP THE ALL THE NAME CALLING, FINGER POINTING, MUD SLINGS.... WE ARE NOT EACH OTHER'S ENEMY



Does it matter, really? If the hedge fund pricks want the merger, they'll get it.....The nwa pilots wanted their rediculous DOH demands, and will get less now, maybe nothing, and have to deal with it!
Its incredible, first their mec comes back to the bargaining table (loosely used term with regards to nwa), and now their management!

737
 
Quite true, but are you a minority at NWA or a silent majority. If that is the case them speak up and tell you MEC.
 
Everyone I speak to about the mergr are for it. Some have reservations. Mostly due to the lack of facts. All we hear is rumors. Your group is told one thing and we are told something else. But in the end, pilots are realists and smart. When the financials are presented to them, I believe that the end result would be good for both sides.


Quite true, but are you a minority at NWA or a silent majority. If that is the case them speak up and tell you MEC.
 
WE NEED TO START WORKING AS A UNION OR GET SCREWED BY THE RATS.

LET"S STOP THE ALL THE NAME CALLING, FINGER POINTING, MUD SLINGS.... WE ARE NOT EACH OTHER'S ENEM
Y

Excellent points. If we merge, I think that good things can happen for the entire merged pilot group. That said, we HAVE to have the following prior to the merger if we want to break the tired endlessly recycled record that is even now being played at USAirways. Regardless of the method eventually agreed to "ratio, dynamic seniority list, etc" the only way we will be a somewhat unified group is:

NO fences. They are inefficient and breed resentment. NWA guys know this better than anyone.

NO arbitration. We are professionals and grownups. It is about time that two pilot groups--the same ones who always claim that our extraordinary skills and professionalism demand appropriate compensation and benefits--can actually make a tough decision that is in the mutual benefit of the entire group, instead of endlessly pawning it off on a third-party. Arbitration should be the equivalent of extra innings in baseball or a shootout in hockey--a necessary structure on rare occasions, NOT THE DEFAULT DESIRED END RESULT.

AGREED UPON SLI prior to the merger. Unless we want to visit "son of NWA/Republic" for the next three decades. I know I don't! I prefer to talk about beer, women, and war stories in the cockpit. It is hell of a lot more fun than who got screwed more in the merger.
 
Just an observation but after reading these posts it seems to me that the NWA pilots are more receptive to a merger than the DAL pilots?? I don't know the details of the "proposed agreement" but why would any pilot group be looking to merge unless they would directly benefit from it?

Is it that the NWA pilots see a relatively "young" pilot group and they believe that they would benefit from that or are the NWA pilots nervous about the future of NWA?

Stand alone!! We will all be better off.....
 
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Interesting

So if Anderson agrees, then we have a US Air type merger. Each group gets to keep their existing contracts until attrition takes it's toll, and they come to the bargaining table......in 5-8 years. Seniority on new a/c????:laugh: :laugh:

If Anderson doesn't bend, wonder if the BOD will replace him with a Wall St YES man?

:pimp:​
 
So if Anderson agrees, then we have a US Air type merger. Each group gets to keep their existing contracts until attrition takes it's toll, and they come to the bargaining table......in 5-8 years. Seniority on new a/c????:laugh: :laugh:

If Anderson doesn't bend, wonder if the BOD will replace him with a Wall St YES man?


:pimp:​

Sure - let's bring back Stephen Wolf or Siegel from USAirways...

I'll be curious to see what Anderson says about this overture from NWA. Anderson claimed originally that certain pillars (or something to that effect) HAD to be met for a transaction to move forward...
 
Settle down Jr.

Never asked for doh. And as far as "getting less, maybe nothing, and dealing with it" dream on. If we were to do a prepackaged ch11, then maybe. But until than, we(nwalpa&dalpa)will either agree on an integration or we will go to some form of arbitration. But one thing I can assure you is that you, the general and the trolls from our side will have very little say in a negotiated or arbitrated list. So instead of posting anonymus post on some website claiming to know the facts, maybe we all should just wait and see. Btw, lets say we had graciously accepted your generous offer a month or so ago, do you really think with 100+ oil and recession that Dick Anderson would have lived up to the contract enhancements rumoured on here and eslewhere? You don't know him well, but I think you are going to get a quick lesson on what he is, and that is a Lorenzo protosiege(sp). Just a little more personable while he is sticking his foot up your ass.


I thought you wanted to give up your DC9 and come on over to Delta? Right? Didn't you ask me for help? You are an idiot.

Anyway, Anderson did state specific things NEEDED for a merger to happen, and that included FAIR INTEGRATION for his employees. If you think he will just laugh that off, I think you are wrong. He will do the right thing or lose all respect of his new employees. Am I naive? No, I think he knows he will get krap if he doesn't live up to what he was stating. Thank Gawd you know him soooo well. At least we know that your guy Steenland is a real fun guy, and can't wait to take his merger bonus and retire on Lake Minnetonka.

As far as the deal going through, well, let's hear what good ole Ray Neidl thinks:


"Basically, unless Delta management has a change a heart, I don't think they're going to do anything without the support of their pilots," said Calyon Securities analyst Ray Neidl.

"It shows that people don't want it to die and they'll keep trying things, but I don't think it puts us any closer."



Bye Bye--General Lee
 
That's my favorite part. I keep thinking about the guy on the movie, The Matrix saying MR. ANDERSON!! LMAO:laugh:


Now is more important than ever to work as 1 ALPA pilot group to make our stance and get ours in all of this if its going to go down anyway.


What happened to your old avatar. That one was better.
 
Attention....Thread hijack for a twa idiot!

Apparently another moron who has no idea about what happened. But whatever works for ya....
I'm laughing at your pathetic attempt to understand what really happened. Apparently in your imaginary world, denial isn't just a river in Egypt!

Thanks for caring, but I'm not mad,
I don't care about you, as I said, I'm laughing at your incomprehension of what actually happened by your own unions admission!

I just laugh at idiots like you who are so blind and then have to slam others to make themselves feel better.
I don't feel the need to slam others, just pointing out to dumbasses like you what happened with your own misdoings, and pointing the blame elsewhere!

Keep drinkin the kool-aid that DALPA's feeding you......
:laugh: :laugh:
Who told you that one, your lawyer??

737
 
Sure - let's bring back Stephen Wolf or Siegel from USAirways...

I'll be curious to see what Anderson says about this overture from NWA. Anderson claimed originally that certain pillars (or something to that effect) HAD to be met for a transaction to move forward...

That's true.....More importantly is him stepping on his wanker if he BOD changes tune. After all, Anderson also has a boss, and he'll do what they tell him.
That's the whole frustrating point regarding this whole fiasco!

737
 

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