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GogglesPisano

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As expected, the price for failing to come to a deal is less incentives on the table.

Anyone with a membership to WSJ on-line?



Northwest Reworks Plan For Merger With Delta
By Susan Carey and Paulo Prada
Word Count: 928 | Companies Featured in This Article: Northwest Airlines, Delta Air Lines
Northwest Airlines Corp. executives have proposed that Delta Air Lines Inc. and Northwest proceed with their planned merger, but recut the deal to give less generous terms to their pilots, said people familiar with the matter.

While the idea may be unpopular with the pilots, there is nothing to prevent the carriers from taking that course. Delta still is pondering the idea, these people said. But both airlines know that if they are going to proceed, they need to move very quickly so the transaction can be scrutinized before current Justice Department officials leave office at the end of the ...
 
Companies Featured in This Article: Northwest Airlines, Delta Air Lines
Northwest Airlines Corp. executives have proposed that Delta Air Lines Inc. and Northwest proceed with their planned merger, but recut the deal to give less generous terms to their pilots, said people familiar with the matter.

BF surprise here.....
Way to go NW pilots, maybe when this deal is done you'll get nothing and like it!:pimp:


737
 
How much "less" generous?

Does it matter, really? If the hedge fund pricks want the merger, they'll get it.....The nwa pilots wanted their rediculous DOH demands, and will get less now, maybe nothing, and have to deal with it!
Its incredible, first their mec comes back to the bargaining table (loosely used term with regards to nwa), and now their management!

737
 
Northwest proposes retooling Delta merger plan

By MarketWatch
Last update: 2:54 p.m. EDT March 28,

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) - Northwest Airlines Corp., seeking to salvage its planned merger with Delta Air Lines Inc., has taken aim at one of the deal's biggest stumbling blocks; the pilots.
The Wall Street Journal, citing people familiar the matter, reported Friday that Northwest executives have proposed pushing ahead with the merger, but trimming the terms offered to the pilots.
Northwest shares jumped 4.3% to $8.71.
Initially, both airlines had been keen to win their pilots' approval before proceeding with the merger. But union officials representing the two groups have been at loggerheads for weeks, unable to reach a compromise on seniority issues that include pay scales and who gets to fly which routes. They have even squabbled over the types of aircraft they might be forced to fly in a merged company.
With the pilots refusing to budge, Northwest and Delta have seen the initial pop in their share prices from the proposed merger whittled slowly away, with soaring fuel costs adding urgency to the companies' efforts to bring costs under control and reduce what most industry analysts see as a surplus of available seats.
The two airlines are also under pressure to nail down a merger and win regulatory approval for it before the end of the year, assuming that the current administration is likely to be more friendly to further consolidation in the industry than the next administrations might be.
Combining Northwest and Delta would create the world's biggest airline in terms of traffic.
 
The big quesiton is less generous for which side? And you know they will try it...

What a joke of an industry.

Don't worry though...DALPA said it was a dead issue-so let the painting (and parking) of planes begin.
 
OOPS...I forgot to add the furloughs as well. How silly of me.
 
Settle down Jr.

Never asked for doh. And as far as "getting less, maybe nothing, and dealing with it" dream on. If we were to do a prepackaged ch11, then maybe. But until than, we(nwalpa&dalpa)will either agree on an integration or we will go to some form of arbitration. But one thing I can assure you is that you, the general and the trolls from our side will have very little say in a negotiated or arbitrated list. So instead of posting anonymus post on some website claiming to know the facts, maybe we all should just wait and see. Btw, lets say we had graciously accepted your generous offer a month or so ago, do you really think with 100+ oil and recession that Dick Anderson would have lived up to the contract enhancements rumoured on here and eslewhere? You don't know him well, but I think you are going to get a quick lesson on what he is, and that is a Lorenzo protosiege(sp). Just a little more personable while he is sticking his foot up your ass.




Does it matter, really? If the hedge fund pricks want the merger, they'll get it.....The nwa pilots wanted their rediculous DOH demands, and will get less now, maybe nothing, and have to deal with it!
Its incredible, first their mec comes back to the bargaining table (loosely used term with regards to nwa), and now their management!

737
 
Settle down Jr.
Thanks spanky!

Never asked for doh. And as far as "getting less, maybe nothing, and dealing with it" dream on. If we were to do a prepackaged ch11, then maybe. But until than, we(nwalpa&dalpa)will either agree on an integration or we will go to some form of arbitration.

Why must you insist on this? I guess you guys see something bad happening down the horizon. The initial offering from "newco" was to an "agreed SLI," not binding arbitration. I realize NWAPA has never come to an agreement in the past 22 years outside of arbitration, but maybe you should start to realize that this might go down with or without us onboard!

But one thing I can assure you is that you, the general and the trolls from our side will have very little say in a negotiated or arbitrated list.
You're right about that, you do have a lot of trolls on your side. See dtw320 et al!

So instead of posting anonymus post on some website claiming to know the facts, maybe we all should just wait and see.
Agreed!

Btw, lets say we had graciously accepted your generous offer a month or so ago, do you really think with 100+ oil and recession that Dick Anderson would have lived up to the contract enhancements rumoured on here and eslewhere?
Would they really have had a choice outside of Chp 11?
You don't know him well, but I think you are going to get a quick lesson on what he is, and that is a Lorenzo protosiege(sp). Just a little more personable while he is sticking his foot up your ass.
You guys have been sticking your foot up the ass of your fellow pilot for 22 years, I guess if we're going to be part of you we should get used to it then???

737
 
This means you too ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^;)

The last thing we need to be doing is biting one another's heads off. BOTH MECS need to come clean and say what the real deal is. The DAL guys are being told one thing and the NWA guys are being told the opposite. You guys think we want to staple you and we think you want to staple us, we need to get this resolved or its going to get shoved down our throats and NONE of us want a USAIR saga. lets try and keep the discussions relative, flames are pointless. Discuss
 
To Delta Pilots:
This is your first taste of NWA management. It can leave you a little disoriented at first, I know, but hang in there.

sincerely,
YourPilotFriend
 
You guys have been sticking your foot up the ass of your fellow pilot for 22 years, I guess if we're going to be part of you we should get used to it then???

737[/quote]

Being that I have 13 yrs I would not know. However, I have seen/lived thru Anderson's reign here, and you guys are about to see what we have always dealt with. They are all cut from the same mold. The best thing that we can hope for is that our union leadership can come to an agreement that is acceptable. Has it crossed anyones minds that RA made the "protect deltas seniority" statements to give false hope to your side and put us on the defensive? Buy doing this we fight amongst ourselves and have less fight for them, thus leaving more gold for them.
 
Being that I have 13 yrs I would not know. However, I have seen/lived thru Anderson's reign here, and you guys are about to see what we have always dealt with. They are all cut from the same mold.
What's the old saying.....Meet the new boss, same as the old?!

The best thing that we can hope for is that our union leadership can come to an agreement that is acceptable. Has it crossed anyones minds that RA made the "protect deltas seniority" statements to give false hope to your side and put us on the defensive? Buy doing this we fight amongst ourselves and have less fight for them, thus leaving more gold for them.

Agreed!:beer:

737
 
from the Wall Street Journal

Northwest Reworks Plan
For Merger With Delta


[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,Serif]Deal Could Give Pilots
Less Generous Terms
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[FONT=times new roman,times,serif][FONT=times new roman,times,serif]By SUSAN CAREY and PAULO PRADA
March 28, 2008 3:28 p.m.
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Northwest Airlines Corp. executives have proposed that Delta Air Lines Inc. and Northwest proceed with their planned merger, said people familiar with the matter.
But a jump-started deal wouldn't include the terms of a combined pilot labor agreement and the salary enhancements previously foreseen, they said, because the pilots failed to reach agreement on other terms the companies sought to ease the merger.

While the idea may be unpopular with the pilots, there is nothing to prevent the carriers from taking that course. Delta still is pondering the idea, these people said. But both airlines know that if they are going to proceed, they need to move very quickly so the transaction can be scrutinized before current Justice Department officials leave office at the end of the year when the administration changes.

A Delta spokeswoman declined to confirm whether her company has received a proposal from Northwest to proceed without the support of the pilots. "Our board and senior management will continue to explore strategic options," she said.

The two carriers had an entire deal ready to go in February and required only the final approval of their boards. The terms included a share swap at near market values, with Northwest holders getting a small premium; a $750 million investment by their European marketing partner Air France-KLM SA; and a common pilot labor contract for their combined 11,000 pilots that would give all of them raises, with Northwest's 5,000 aviators getting heftier increases to bring them up to Delta levels.

The combined carrier, which would be the world's largest by traffic, was to keep the Delta name, remain based at Delta's Atlanta headquarters and be run by Richard Anderson, Delta's chief executive officer. Doug Steenland, Northwest's CEO, was expected to take a lesser role as a director or leave the combined enterprise altogether. When the original deal was conceived, the companies didn't foresee layoffs, hub closures or much capacity shrinkage, believing instead that combining would generate a big boost in revenue and some operational efficiencies.

hey held off, however, because they wanted their pilots to agree first on a method of building a single seniority list. Seniority is key to pilot career advancement and dictates what types of planes they fly, whether they are captains or first officers, when they get time off and whether they could be furloughed.

Such agreement isn't required by the pilots' union -- both groups are represented by branches of the Air Line Pilots Association -- or by law in cases of airline mergers. And it's never been done before. But Delta and Northwest figured they could minimize pilot infighting, expedite efficiencies by being able to meld the pilot ranks immediately once the deal was consummated, and win the support of the most powerful employee groups.

The savings generated by that immediate labor integration were to be shared with the pilots in the joint labor contract that was part of the original transaction. The cost to the merged airline, said one individual familiar with the matter, was "significant."
But the two pilot groups couldn't agree on a fair method for integrating their seniority lists. Despite repeated negotiations over many weeks, the discussions hit an impasse earlier this month. The Delta group felt the Northwest pilots were pushing for a system that would jeopardize the seniority and career expectations of Delta pilots. The Northwest group said it was willing to put the issue to a neutral arbitrator, a plan the Delta pilots rejected.

In the past couple of weeks, neither Delta nor Northwest declared the deal formally dead. But their slumping stock prices suggested some investors thought the deal was, which led some investors to press them to move forward without the pilots. At the same time, fuel prices hit historic highs, the economy weakened further and the outlook for the industry took a bearish turn. Delta announced plans to cut 2,000 jobs, ground some aircraft and reduce its domestic capacity. Northwest hinted it may take similar steps.

Against this backdrop, the merger looks even more compelling, said one person familiar with the matter. Combining would give the two a larger network, lower unit costs and a more efficient business, once integration expenses abated. But the risk is that doing the deal will eat up precious liquidity at a time when all airlines are trying to husband cash in case industry conditions deteriorate further.

Thus Northwest proposed that the two go forward on the basis of their earlier merger agreement, said people familiar with the situation. That would remove from the table the effort to obtain a new pilot agreement before consummation of the deal. Typically, those negotiations don't occur until well after the deal is closed and the pilots have hammered out a seniority list. Earlier assumptions that the two wouldn't close hubs, lay off employees or shrink capacity are no longer certain either, with fuel at current high levels, said one person.
If Delta agrees to proceed with the merger, Mr. Anderson, the CEO, would have some explaining to do to his pilots, having said he wouldn't move forward with a combination without protecting the seniority of Delta's employees.

However, Delta has continued to tell its workers it supports industry consolidation. In a memo to employees last week, Mr. Anderson and Ed Bastian, Delta's president and chief financial officer, said, "While the rise in fuel and the weakening economy present near-term challenges, our long-term view remains that consolidation may be the right course of action."
 

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