Usapa Vote

[linecheck]

Probably not but I'm glad you are about to educate me here, am I correct?

I believe in unions who are supporting their own members not sell outs such as ALPO... go ahead teach me now...

Btw, has ALPO decided which candidate they'll support this year? Will it be Barrak or Hillary? Last time they chose Kerry and then there was Gore.

Or maybe they'll pick Hu Jintao this year?

The vote for USAPA is not about ALPA and the issues related with it, it is about stapling 1500 AWA pilots below the most junior furloughed pilot on the AAA property at the time of the merger by a "tyranny of the majority." (USAPA guys refer to this as democracy.)

USAPA does not, and will not, represent both east and west pilots fairly. It is there to circumvent transition agreements and a binding arbitration that both east and west groups were a party to.

So, before you go spouting off about USAPA and how great it would be to show ALPA a thing or two, keep in mind everything USAPA stands for. (or the lack thereof.)

There's plenty of threads here on Flight info you can read to "educate yourself."

 

[MCDU]

DOH does not equate to a staple. The only pilots that got stapled were East pilots. 17 years of service and they get stapled behind newhires. Most furloughed pilots should have been back on the property long time ago. Most of them are holding blocks and E 190 captain slots. We are still undermanned. Reserves are all timed out. We are seriously short.

DOH with fences and protections is the only fair way.

AWA pilots do not want to wait their turn. In 10 years, about 75% of the EAST will be gone. So, all you former Mesa pilots at AWA, I know you liked stealing our flying. AWA is a scab infested airline and thats were scabs belong. Its funny that a large number of AWA are MESA and Trans States. Two proud ALPA carriers that love taking away mainline flying.

I say permanent separate lists sine the Nic will never be implemented. Then sell off the unprofitable West. Let them merge with ALOHA so they can save someone else.

Marty

 

[spitfire1500]

Have you seen what ALPA has allowed to happen over here at MESA?......and then on an everyday basis.......


Oh we will grieve like all of the other......Mesa'a blatant disregard for our POS contract! How much can that cost? GO USAPA!

I was at Mesa when that contract was signed...you can thank the Freedom scum for that POS!!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

flame bait.

No, rather a request for critical thought. Can you?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

DOH does not equate to a staple. The only pilots that got stapled were East pilots. 17 years of service and they get stapled behind newhires. Most furloughed pilots should have been back on the property long time ago. Most of them are holding blocks and E 190 captain slots. We are still undermanned. Reserves are all timed out. We are seriously short.

DOH with fences and protections is the only fair way.

AWA pilots do not want to wait their turn. In 10 years, about 75% of the EAST will be gone. So, all you former Mesa pilots at AWA, I know you liked stealing our flying. AWA is a scab infested airline and thats were scabs belong. Its funny that a large number of AWA are MESA and Trans States. Two proud ALPA carriers that love taking away mainline flying.

I say permanent separate lists sine the Nic will never be implemented. Then sell off the unprofitable West. Let them merge with ALOHA so they can save someone else.

Marty

Wow.... pretty emotional Marty.....

I see no mention of the Nic award... didn't your pilot reps agree to that?


Tyranny of the Majority... is called democracy by the USAPA lawyer....

Don't forget......

based upon our projected needs we need every pilot to contribute at least $200 and to do so as soon as possible

 

[hyperboy]

Alpa?

If you think USAPA is so flipping great...then you vote out ALPA at your company. If you don't have any facts about this company, might I suggest staying off the band wagon. Don't be fooled about thinking this is a election has anything to do with ALPA. This is a vote for the sense of emotional entitlement by a group of Easties. :angryfire

So ALPA is not ALPA? Then who are they and why am I sending my dues to them? So I can be happy with them if they have no fight for us and allows O.J to continue to violate our CBA daily?

 

[hyperboy]

here you go

Explain what ALPA has allowed?[/quot


Did you know that ALPA signed off on that crappy MESA comtract that evryone makes fun of us for? Then with TSA you thought the would have learned from history.....Nope they did not!


ALPA is far less powerful and influential than the I.A.M. when I threw bags over at NWA. Now that is sad huh? yet the truth......

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Did you know that ALPA signed off on that crappy MESA comtract that evryone makes fun of us for? Then with TSA you thought the would have learned from history.....Nope they did not!

Why did you support such a contract and send it over to ALPA Nat'l for concurrence? Why didn't you send a CBA to ALPA Nat'l that the rest of us would have supported...??

What if ALPA Nat'l disapproved your CBA? Then what? What does the Admin manual have to do with this?

ALPA is far less powerful and influential than the I.A.M. when I threw bags over at NWA. Now that is sad huh? yet the truth......

Maybe.....

Riddle me this.... why do you think ALPA should be more powerful? Or why is the IAM more powerful?

What we are really talking about is your expectations.

But let's posit for a minute that this is not an expectation problem on your part and that ALPA IS powerful and influential....

Can you quantify this power/influence? And why has ALPA not used it?

 

[Lowrider717]

... and allows O.J to continue to violate our CBA daily?

Have a look at your signature quote line sonny. I hate it for you, but I too worked under JO, fortunately I had an out. Good luck.

 

[hyperboy]

alpa

Why did you support such a contract and send it over to ALPA Nat'l for concurrence? Why didn't you send a CBA to ALPA Nat'l that the rest of us would have supported...??

What if ALPA Nat'l disapproved your CBA? Then what? What does the Admin manual have to do with this?

ALPA knew we were in a corner and post 9/11. Where was there help? Sign it and go. Were we not the first post 9/11 contract?
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Many trash MESA all the time, crappy contract, contract not enforced, 5 year old group grievances,....Mesa has ALPA? So this is a good thing. Are we making ALPA look Bad or are they making us look good ....if so which mirror are you looking in? Enlighten me please?

Any Net Jets guys out there? Teamsters I heard that with an appeal your total grievance time is 2 1/2 months............True? Like I said 5 years