Cal & Amr

[pkober]

Rumor. Fourth in line, but what the hell. Here it goes.

Some newhires have said that Larry Kellner came into their class and said that AMR called CAL to let them know that if we, CAL, attempt to merge with another carrier that they, AMR, would make a hostile bid to take over CAL.

Right!! The CEO is going to come into a newhire class and reveal that kind of info.

Just a rumor for our entertainment. It's really being said. Enjoy.

 

[TWA Dude]

You won't find a more hostile entity than AMR.

 

[AKMD80GUY]

That rumor doesn't make sense on a few issues. First and foremost when has a CEO ever told the truth to any employee. Second AA cant afford to takeover CAL or any other carrier at this time. I did hear from our latest PIC charm school event that a CAL/UAL/AS threesome would be a possibility. This was stated by management types so it must be BS, right?

 

[pkober]

I was the foruth in line to hear it.

It probably started with Larry Kellner walking his dog and he looked up and saw an AA MD80 fly over. The next guys said that the MD80 landed on the road next to Larry. The next guy said that the two CEO's walked Larry's dog together, hand in hand, at which time the AA CEO told Larry about the hostile takeover bid.

It all makes sense.

 

[whatitdoing?]

Funny how you mock the CEO's, but you're the one that posted this BS.......

 

[COpilot]

I tend to believe that Larry might have well said something like this. However, it most likely was more of a strategic rumor placement for contract talk time.

Kind of like when Larry rides jumpseat and explains how we are the best paid in the industry.

 

[stlflyguy]

I was the foruth in line to hear it.

It probably started with Larry Kellner walking his dog and he looked up and saw an AA MD80 fly over. The next guys said that the MD80 landed on the road next to Larry. The next guy said that the two CEO's walked Larry's dog together, hand in hand, at which time the AA CEO told Larry about the hostile takeover bid.

It all makes sense.

I have a hard time believing any of this...except the part where you state that the MD80 landed on the road next to Larry. Hartford, Denver, Seattle....(need I go on?) ...yep, I can believe it.

stlflyguy

 

[CAL EWR B737]

I have heard this rumor as well and believe Larry may have actually said what you posted or at least some version of it.

Why you may ask? Come on guys we are in contract negotiations. We just displayed the most unity we have in the last twenty-two years.

The company propaganda campaign is starting. Why wouldn't Larry want to strategically put a little misinformation in the hooper?

Guess what if I was a betting man, and I am I would bet sometime in the future a number of scenario's are going to be played out by our management. How about one of them being in order to keep from being taken in a hostile takeover by AA (or fill in the blanks - and that is what I was told he said second hand Larry said from someone in the class) we need to keep our costs down and expand. We can't do this without your cooperation as this is best for all of us in the long run etc, etc etc. What your union is asking for is totally unreasonable and will leverage the company and your career.

There are any of number of ways to play this or other strategic misinformation within the pilot group to counteract your union's ability for once to negotiate a real contract.

Guess what been here since 1987. Contract 95 gun to our head sign it or the company will bleed our fledging union to death (IACP) and guess what we need it because mergers are on the horizon.

Contract 97, sign the contract mergers are on the horizon, better go into a merger with contract 97 terms then contract 95.

Contract 02, sing the contract or we will enter bankruptcy (union said company never said but implied) and a judge will take more away. Also beware mergers could happen we have higher W2's then UAL, DAL etc.

Get the common theme here? Also FACT not rumor the last round of articles indicating rumors of AA/CAL merger orginated right from the CAL ALPA office.

Relax and just like me have a standing NO vote unless we negotiate a real contract with significant improvements in the all of the following areas, pay and benefits, quality of life at home and work, SCOPE and real NEW HIRE PAY/INSURANCE AND eliminate the B SCALE YEARS 2-5.

Guess what you are your union and your union needs you. How about signing up for P2P and volunteering your time for the CAL ALPA SPSC. SPSC has four sub committee's - P2P - Family Awareness - Special Projects and Strike Preparedness.

I need help on our Strike Preparedness Committee, how about coming to work with me. You thought Wall Street was good, you ain't seen anything yet.

 

[Bigoober]

Wouldn't doubt he said it and you might even be talking about my new hire class from a week ago when he came and talked to us. Of course, your sources left off that Larry said that all the airlines talk to each other about these scenarios and that they have plans built for each of these.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Nice job Jay man! Puts most believable spin on current splattering of crap from CAL. Starting the intelligence/counter intelligence office, with new hires.

 

[pkober]

Funny how you mock the CEO's, but you're the one that posted this BS.......

Lighten up Fransis !!

I'm mocking this rumor. Plus, it's also an attempt at some fun here on FI. The rumor is stupid, I know that.

I hope you don't believe all the rumors that are posted on FI.

Rumor has it that CAL is bringing back it's A300's. I just heard it, it's true.

 

[flatspin7]

I actually heard that CAL management has hired the Iraqi Information Minister (Baghdad Bob) to now deal with all employee communications!!!!


http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/jokes/bljoke-iraqinfominister.htm

 

[pkober]

"We are not in contract talks, we don't even have pilots at Continental Airlines!:

Well played.

 

[whatitdoing?]

Hey I'm relaxed....u? Posting crap like this does nothing...........that's all.

 

[aa73]

I have a hard time believing any of this...except the part where you state that the MD80 landed on the road next to Larry. Hartford, Denver, Seattle....(need I go on?) ...yep, I can believe it.

stlflyguy

Sure, ya could go on: TWA MD80 trying to find GJT, landed at a small strip, tried to U-Turn and put it in the mud... CAL 757 on the taxiway in EWR... NWA landing at an air force base while trying to find Grand Forks... <insert airline name here>... etc, etc.

Catch my drift? Happens to everyone from time to time. Hope it never happens to you bud!

 

[stlflyguy]

Sure, ya could go on: TWA MD80 trying to find GJT, landed at a small strip, tried to U-Turn and put it in the mud... CAL 757 on the taxiway in EWR... NWA landing at an air force base while trying to find Grand Forks... <insert airline name here>... etc, etc.

Catch my drift? Happens to everyone from time to time. Hope it never happens to you bud!

Me too!

Chill man...when TWA did it, it was an event.

AA makes it look routine.

stlflyguy

 

[aa73]

Me too!

Chill man...when TWA did it, it was an event.

AA makes it look routine.

stlflyguy

Ripping on another airline's streak of bad luck is not only unprofessional, it is also bad karma. As you very well know, ALL airlines have had their share of bad streaks. AA hasn't had an incident in a while now, and we are all thankful for that.

Chillin' on reserve...
73

 

[stlflyguy]

My response is as professional as the nAAtives who've referred to TWA pilots as "KMart pilots."

Many of those instances aren't due to "luck" but pure stupidity. While I'll cut the BDL crew a little slack due to the conditions (though using an incredibly flawed altimeter procedure, IMHO), the acts of LIT, Cali, DEN, and SEA could have all been avoided. Luck didn't get them into that situation--it shouldn't have to get them out.

stlflyguy

 

[spro1815]

Listen, if anyone on this forum knows any history with AMR, then you will know that AMR will in fact get in the mix if for no other reason than to raise the price of a purchase to make the purchase more expensive for their competitors. AMR does not care about consolidating with CAL, but doesn't want any one buying CAL on the cheap. Or any other airline for that matter.

 

[AA717driver]

aa73--Get your facts straight: The TWA MD80 landed at Morrison, CO instead of HDN. (Plenty of "no excuse mistakes" to go around...)

All I know is that I'm getting my resume ready--AGAIN!

pkober: You may get to staple yourself but you also may end up senior to me. TC

P.S.--The state's gonna have to pony up a G550 recurrent THIS f@*kin' time!

 

[aa73]

My response is as professional as the nAAtives who've referred to TWA pilots as "KMart pilots."

Many of those instances aren't due to "luck" but pure stupidity. While I'll cut the BDL crew a little slack due to the conditions (though using an incredibly flawed altimeter procedure, IMHO), the acts of LIT, Cali, DEN, and SEA could have all been avoided. Luck didn't get them into that situation--it shouldn't have to get them out.

stlflyguy

stlflyguy... puh-leeze bro. Can you tell us all something we DIDN'T know instead of using AA's accident record to vent your frustration about the acquisition?

The NTSB has been more than clear in admonishing "pilot error" verdicts in each of the above cases. We already know as much. We also know that ALL of these accidents have happened at other airlines as well, not just AA.

Just what is your point in bringing this up, anyway? Do you desperately HAVE to resort to the streak of bad luck that resulted in deaths, to justify your anger? Because there are far more civilized ways to do so.

73
Doing my part in keeping us outta the papers...

 

[aa73]

aa73--Get your facts straight: The TWA MD80 landed at Morrison, CO instead of HDN. (Plenty of "no excuse mistakes" to go around...)

All I know is that I'm getting my resume ready--AGAIN!

My bad... thanks TC.

Also getting my resume ready!

73

 

[stlflyguy]

stlflyguy... puh-leeze bro. Can you tell us all something we DIDN'T know instead of using AA's accident record to vent your frustration about the acquisition?

The NTSB has been more than clear in admonishing "pilot error" verdicts in each of the above cases. We already know as much. We also know that ALL of these accidents have happened at other airlines as well, not just AA.

Just what is your point in bringing this up, anyway? Do you desperately HAVE to resort to the streak of bad luck that resulted in deaths, to justify your anger? Because there are far more civilized ways to do so.

73
Doing my part in keeping us outta the papers...

I'll apologize for the diversion, 73. I was commenting in jest to the earlier post.

So, no, I'M NOT ANGRY, DAMMIT!

On a more serious note, has there been any talk of recalls slowing down? And when are all the natives leaving STL?

Thanks,

stlflyguy

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

I click on this thread to see what the scuttlebutt is about CAL and AMR. What I find is AA and TWA pilots fighting.

Shocker.

Fool me once..........

 

[AA717driver]

Fool me once..........

Frank--Just us airline pilots returning the favor... TC

 

[AWACoff]

Hey Frank,

I just had a rough day so to feel better, I would like to pass on this thought;

I hope you burn in HELL Frank Lorenzo!!!

P.S. Thanks.

 

[densoo]

Relax and just like me have a standing NO vote unless we negotiate a real contract with significant improvements in the all of the following areas, pay and benefits, quality of life at home and work, SCOPE and real NEW HIRE PAY/INSURANCE AND eliminate the B SCALE YEARS 2-5.

Guess what you are your union and your union needs you. How about signing up for P2P and volunteering your time for the CAL ALPA SPSC. SPSC has four sub committee's - P2P - Family Awareness - Special Projects and Strike Preparedness.

I need help on our Strike Preparedness Committee, how about coming to work with me. You thought Wall Street was good, you ain't seen anything yet.

Not to worry.

 

[Devil Dawg]

So PK where would you end up if AMR StAAples CA? Would you be above or below yourself? Or would they make special provisions for anyone with TWA stench on them to goto the bottom of any combined list. How interesting!!

 

[aa73]

I'll apologize for the diversion, 73. I was commenting in jest to the earlier post.

So, no, I'M NOT ANGRY, DAMMIT!

On a more serious note, has there been any talk of recalls slowing down? And when are all the natives leaving STL?

Thanks,

stlflyguy

Accepted. Thanks. :beer:

Recalls have actually picked up, to 50 for April (one class of 20 and one of 30.) Nothing else I've heard... they are keeping it mum for now. We should know the May stats soon.

I've already left STL (with a heavy heart, I must say - great guys to fly with and great chiefs.) Back in NYC flying int'l. Many of my buddies are contemplating bailing as they get pushed closer and closer to reserve. There have also been many reinstatements back to other bases from STL. So yes, I think in the end it will end up as a strictly TWA base as more and more natives leave.

Hope you get the call soon. Take care.

73

 

[AAflyer]

62 more early outs for March 31st (April 1st)


Cheers,

AA