ASA FAs about to sell out on PBS

[Texx]

That may not necessarily be the case. Certainly the economy is going to be weak for sometime, and I think biggest shake out is going to occur in the regional sector. I don't think we'll see mergers, it will be much easier to let weaker carriers die on the vine (think Mesa). Skywest with ASA should be in a good position, so I don't think they'll have us over a barrel. I do think that they will try every trick in the book to get us to bite on PBS. I think we need to let the company know that after we vote no on any changes to our CBA to allow PBS, that we will never talk about PBS again.

Again just my .02

Then you need to press your reps that "ANY" deal for PBS MUST BE voted on by the pilots. Not just the MEC.

 

[CFI2766]

Considering that the economy isn't even "officially" in recession yet, and past cycles indicate airline recessions lasting 5 years, I think we will still be in recession by then. But again, that's just from looking at past cycles.

3 years from now, either from a wall street or a main street version of the definition, I predict we will be well on our way to a recovery from a financial recession.

From an airline definition, I suspect that we will be in dire straights. Even though the economy is cooling off dramatically now, our hiring department is still hiring like crazy. This leads me to believe that when the economy is showing strong signs of life in the future, the airline industry, and my airline in particular, will have no new classes, and potentially be laying people off. A great environment to negotiate a new pilot contract, if you inhabit the GO.

I don't like the looks of this at all.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

3 years from now, either from a wall street or a main street version of the definition, I predict we will be well on our way to a recovery from a financial recession.

From an airline definition, I suspect that we will be in dire straights. Even though the economy is cooling off dramatically now, our hiring department is still hiring like crazy. This leads me to believe that when the economy is showing strong signs of life in the future, the airline industry, and my airline in particular, will have no new classes, and potentially be laying people off. A great environment to negotiate a new pilot contract, if you inhabit the GO.

I don't like the looks of this at all.

It could also be signs that there are plenty of people getting out of this business.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

3 years from now, either from a wall street or a main street version of the definition, I predict we will be well on our way to a recovery from a financial recession.

From an airline definition, I suspect that we will be in dire straights. Even though the economy is cooling off dramatically now, our hiring department is still hiring like crazy. This leads me to believe that when the economy is showing strong signs of life in the future, the airline industry, and my airline in particular, will have no new classes, and potentially be laying people off. A great environment to negotiate a new pilot contract, if you inhabit the GO.

I don't like the looks of this at all.

It seems most airlines have it out of sync, where they hire until they furlough, then find themselves woefully understaffed when things pick up. Unless you're new to this business, it shouldn't surprise you!

 

[CFI2766]

It seems most airlines have it out of sync, where they hire until they furlough, then find themselves woefully understaffed when things pick up. Unless you're new to this business, it shouldn't surprise you!

Who said I was suprised?

And, about your signature....What'd you expect ?!?

 

[wickedpilot]

Pros:

-allows you to be very specific (telling it I want to fly this pairing on this day, but something different next week)
-allow you to bid specific days off
-allows you to be general (I want 2 days that start after noon and finish by 2 PM, for example)

of course the efficacy of these things will be dictated by by your seniority, the variety of pairings available, and you ability to use the program correctly and effectively...

I can bid all of the preferences you listed right now with FLiCA on a hard line system. And, I can turn a 7-day vacation in 18.

 

[Redan]

I tried, but there's no way to quote the entire post, with both the original post and Joe's reply.

So, to recap, Joe was saying that the PBS system creating bad lines wasn't all that much different than the company creating bad lines. Frankly, he was right. I don't see where his 'credibility' was compromised.

I regret making the comment about Joe's credibility. However, I remain completely convinced there is a great deal of difference.

 

[DGdaPilot]

I can bid all of the preferences you listed right now with FLiCA on a hard line system. And, I can turn a 7-day vacation in 18.

We do hardlines at AE. I turned 4 days of VAC into 10 without pay loss.

 

[purduej]

Disclaimer: I bid top 20% in base.
One of the nice things about PBS is I can have a ten day vacation, weekends off, and 75 hrs of credit without tapping my vacation time. Once you learn the intricacies of bidding, it is very, very nice. I've done both hard lines and PBS and much prefer PBS. Yes you get screwed as the junior guy, but really, you're screwed as the junior guy no matter what system you used. At least with PBS the 8-ball will get a line, with hard lines they won't.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Disclaimer: I bid top 20% in base.
One of the nice things about PBS is I can have a ten day vacation, weekends off, and 75 hrs of credit without tapping my vacation time. Once you learn the intricacies of bidding, it is very, very nice. I've done both hard lines and PBS and much prefer PBS. Yes you get screwed as the junior guy, but really, you're screwed as the junior guy no matter what system you used. At least with PBS the 8-ball will get a line, with hard lines they won't.

It also depends on the system that you use, and you have to KNOW how to use it properly. You really have to know how to bid to use that, hardlines not so much. Our the ASA FAs going to fight for a good software program to use this? My bet is no.