Age 65 will cause FURLOUGHS and DOWNGRADES

[luckytohaveajob]

Don't blame the industry, oil, management, or bad luck when the furloughs, downgrades, and possible pay cuts occur. The problem can clearly be blamed on SWAPA and ALPA's efforts in achieving Age 65 passage.

The retirements that are not going to occur have driven payrolls sky high, prevented upgrades from occurring, increased loss of medical insurance premiums by double, prevented mergers from occurring because of unfair advantages,ended pool hiring, and will ultimately force more restrictive medical standards, among other negatives.

What would have stopped the NWA/DAL deal if age 60 was the law of the land?NWA would not have had a concern and the deal would have been signed by now.

Look at the short term numbers lost!!!!!!!


American Airlines Retirements:
2008-457
2009-459
2010-397
2011-340
2012-329

Retirement numbers at CAL(total pilots@4897):
2008:193
2009:200
2010:190
2011:207
2012:211

Alaska...1502 pilots
2008-48
2009-43
2010-48
2011-52
2012-49

Airways retirement numbers, East and West pilot groups. Of those that were active 3/1/06:

Yr. East West

08 143 46

09 185 47

10 163 52

11 191 44

12 214 65

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Yawwwnnnn...

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Time to seal the windows, turn on the gas, make some macaroni and cheese and just ...

 

[AWACoff]

You are preaching to the choir. At least we can have some consolation that they will likely die sooner after retirement. Just remember what those age 65 proponents have done when it comes time to negotiate a new contract. Screw the over 60 guys just like they screwed the new guys. And before you age 65 idiots start spewing rhetoric out of your filthy mouths, remember, it's not age discrimination if you call it by a different name.

 

[pipe]

Yawwwnnnn...

Not a yawn if you're the one under the knife because of it.

This thread is not an argument about the merits. It passed. These are the factual consequences of the rule change. If there are furloughs, a different set of people get the axe due to the rule change.

It may not matter to you, but I can assure you that it matters to many of us. If you don't want to read it - don't click on the thread.

PIPE

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

luckytohaveajob.... don't forget to include ICAO in your alphabet blame game.... oh... and you're a victim.... feel better?

Can you talk about ICAO's role in all of this...

Maybe you can get revs. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and our own beloved Joe Merchant to help with victim status and living in the past....


Oh yeah.... and ALPA sucks!!

 

[Flying Freddie]

Opportunity knocks!

Looking on the bright side, this gives us all five extra years to search for a job.

 

[328dude]

It won't affect Lucky cause he's on some sort of leave over there at Alaska. *cough cough*

 

[Dizel8]

Time to seal the windows, turn on the gas, make some macaroni and cheese and just ...

Light a match?

 

[BEfly]

funny you don't mention the year 2013.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Light a match?

As long as I can wake up every day and laugh at Brittany, LiLo or Michael Jackson -- life is still worth living. Even as an airline pilot.

 

[AKMD80GUY]

Age 65 won't affect the companies that still have an A plan. These pilots will still retire at 60 OR 30 years of service. Every guy I've talked to that was close to 60/30 YOS was out.

I agree that this will slow down the upgrades but not to the degree that people think. Also management banking on these pilots sticking around is a definite problem for them. This doesn't solve their staffing problem. It does just the opposite. All we have to do is give them 30 days notice and from what I've been hearing, that's all they are going to give. Some are planning on filing their papers all at once.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

funny you don't mention the year 2013.

I have the 2013 numbers and beyond. I just wanted to show the near term numbers to keep it relevant.

I also did not bother to look up all the carriers 2008-2012 numbers. If you have them handy post them here.

Thanks.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Can you talk about ICAO's role in all of this...

Maybe you can get revs. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and our own beloved Joe Merchant to help with victim status and living in the past....


Oh yeah.... and ALPA sucks!!

France and Columbia still are age 60. So ICAO has nothing to do with it. If the US filed an exemption as it had for a almost 10 years, we to would have continued using age 60.

This has nothing to do with the past. The change has occurred. The consequence of the change is as drastic as I predicted it would be. Search my past posts, if you doubt what I said all along concerning this incredibly stupid change.

The change happened. These are the consequences. I hope you enjoy them being on the bottom of a new list.

And yes ALPA and SWAPA does SUCK! The question is what t!t will you be sucking when you get your pink slip, Mr. Age 65 supporter.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

And yes ALPA and SWAPA does SUCK! The question is what t!t will you be sucking when you get your pink slip, Mr. Age 65 supporter.

Actually I am indifferent to age 60. That is not the problem...

The problem is open skies, cabatoge and foreign ownership...

While you are worried about cows and tits.. the foreign bull is going to beat the shat out of you....

I'd forget about this age 60 amatuer hour bullshat... the real threat is 5-10 years down the road. If you'll reach age 65 with 10 years then don't worry about it....

You'll just be taking your vacation travel on your retired benefits as EVERY FLIGHT CREW MEMBER has a thick foreign accent......... yes pilots and FA's.

If you have more than 10 years left in this career, then age 60/65 DOESN"T MATTER. You'll be replaced by low wage workers willing to do your job for nickels on the dollar with no retirement or benefits. No health care...NOTHING!

Who cares about age 60 when the difference between a cabbage picker, chinese toy factory worker and US airline pilot will be minimal....


WAKE UP!!!!