NWA/DAL + Air France $750 Mil

[B737 Guy]

HEY, DUDE, I can and WILL state anything I want on this board. You are free to IGNORE me, and anyone can do the same.

HEY DUDE:
The problem with ignoring you is that you are on every friggin thread, hijacking it to YOUR liking, proving YOU are the king of NOTHING, DUDE!

I DON'T CARE. I do NOT speak for the Delta pilots, and just because you can't follow what I am saying, too bad. Thanks for apologizing to everyone, for NOTHING. If they don't want to read what I am posting, then that is up to them. Thanks to your response, I will post more.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Obviously you do care dumbass, or you wouldn't respond to every single thread! So why don't you do the world a favor and STFU! Stop embarressing the Delta pilot group!
Continue to post more! Its the only thing you know how to do! And you're not even good at it!
Go for it dumbass!

 

[Turtle21]

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What NWA guys are looking for is a fair SLI. GL and others think you deserve a windfall. Percentage merger isn't any fairer then DOH. NWA will be prividing nearly all the attrition for the next 13 years as the majority of your older guys are still in their early 50's and will likely stay til 65. NWA's older guys are in their mid-late 50's and most should be gone at 60 thanks to the pension. By the way, we gave up pay to save this pension which should push attrition at 60.

NWA has attrition out the top. DAL does not. You seem quick to discount this. It's about career expectations. I'm expecting to retire with a double digit number. A percentile merger will leave me retiring with over 500 in front of me. Do you consider that fair? I believe it's a windfall for one group at the expense of the other.

Welcome to the reality of what you get for your money that buys ALPA. Not even management is able to cause such hate and discontent among work groups.

ALPA simply does not have any answer to merging two pilot lists. Hell.. they have NO answer to settle ANYTHING between two pilot lists.

ALPA does nothing more than push the two groups together and tell them to fight nicely, and then charge them a lot for the lawyers and "experts".

If ALPA had half a clue they could have figured out how to usher in a national seniority list over the last three decades. ALPA has lasted long past its usefulness.

 

[johnsonrod]

HEY DUDE:
The problem with ignoring you is that you are on every friggin thread, hijacking it to YOUR liking, proving YOU are the king of NOTHING, DUDE!



Obviously you do care dumbass, or you wouldn't respond to every single thread! So why don't you do the world a favor and STFU! Stop embarressing the Delta pilot group!
Continue to post more! Its the only thing you know how to do! And you're not even good at it!
Go for it dumbass!

I find GL far more insightful and entertaining than you. Perhaps you could go back into your hole. OYS is right - you add no value to this discussion.

 

[jetflier]

General, you said, "What is going to replace your A330s? The 767s will be around a lot longer than you think. Your plan was the 744s were going to replace your 742s in the cargo arena, and the 787s were going to replace your A330s and 744s, right? Tell me how it was going to go? Any room on those orders to replace our 767s too? I don't think so."

NWA A330's are brand new aircraft, the last just being delivered this past year, so their not replaceable for a while.

 

[jetflier]

Just so all of the NWA pilots know. This guy is NOT the spokesperson for the Delta pilot group!
Sometimes I wish you would just shut up for 10 minutes, and stop embarressing us. No wonder so many people think we are pricks!

We Know GL is not the DAL spokesperson, we have GL's at NWA too!

 

[B737 Guy]

I find GL far more insightful and entertaining than you. Perhaps you could go back into your hole.

I was just there, and I'm not crazy about the way you run your household, and the cooking stinks!

OYS is right - you add no value to this discussion.

And you do? I'm just trying to show that your boyfriend Lee isn't the spokesman for Delta. If you're trying for a date with him, your above comments might just work!
Now I'm headed back to my hole. I'll tell your family you said "hi."

 

[General Lee]

HEY DUDE:
The problem with ignoring you is that you are on every friggin thread, hijacking it to YOUR liking, proving YOU are the king of NOTHING, DUDE!



Obviously you do care dumbass, or you wouldn't respond to every single thread! So why don't you do the world a favor and STFU! Stop embarressing the Delta pilot group!
Continue to post more! Its the only thing you know how to do! And you're not even good at it!
Go for it dumbass!

I will continue to post and give my opinion, you can bank on it, DUDE. Embarrassing the Delta pilot group? You are telling me this? Thanks Paula Abdul. I post my own opinions, not those expressed by my MEC. This is an opinion board, get used to it. Bye now.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I was just there, and I'm not crazy about the way you run your household, and the cooking stinks!


And you do? I'm just trying to show that your boyfriend Lee isn't the spokesman for Delta. If you're trying for a date with him, your above comments might just work!
Now I'm headed back to my hole. I'll tell your family you said "hi."

Wow, you're NUTS. And you are telling ME not to embarass the Delta pilot group...... re-read your post.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

General, you said, "What is going to replace your A330s? The 767s will be around a lot longer than you think. Your plan was the 744s were going to replace your 742s in the cargo arena, and the 787s were going to replace your A330s and 744s, right? Tell me how it was going to go? Any room on those orders to replace our 767s too? I don't think so."

NWA A330's are brand new aircraft, the last just being delivered this past year, so their not replaceable for a while.

Look at your DC9s. They are still going strong. What causes old planes to get parked? Cycles. Most of our 767s have plenty to go. The ones that were getting very old were the 767-200s, and they were sold to ABX, which usually flies them once or twice a day, usually at night. That's great that your A330s are new. We all like new airplane smell, and I bet the cabins are very nice too. Our 764s are fairly new also, and they do a great job to Europe just like your A330s. If we merge, I bet we will keep all of them. Now the 742s and DC9s, I don't know....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[DTW320]

Your work rules suck. I talked to a DC9 FO at JFK and he said he was on a 5 day trip and the first day was MSP-MDW and he got only 1 hour credit for that day.

Still beatin that drum? We've covered this before, but since you have selective amnesia: NWA has a 5 hour average day. The -9 FO will never be paid 1:00 credit for that day. Maybe he was a new hire who doesn't understand this basic FACT. His 5 day will pay a minimum of 25:00 credit. If it puts him over 80 that will be x1.5.

DC9s are going with no replacement. You can't refute that.

Sure I can. Its called the "scope clause"...unless we are forced to accept the current DAL scope clause in which case I suppose 68 DC9s could go away. But you know that...

Your plan was the 744s were going to replace your 742s in the cargo arena, and the 787s were going to replace your A330s and 744s, right?

Wrong. That's your plan. NWA's stated policy is that they are looking for more 74-200's. Read the AirCargo article linked in another thread. 787's to replace the 330's and 400's? Uhhh NO. That has never been the plan for the 787. Different mission entirely. We've been buying new 330's through late last year and are now the largest operator of them in the world. Do you understand the difference between the 747-400 and the 787 in terms of capacity and break-even pax/cargo load? It will allow lots of new direct service in thinner markets that would be untenable with any other a/c. 744 for high density(416 pax) long range routes, 330 for mid to long range medium density routes, and 787 for ultra long range medium density routes.

 

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NWA's stated policy is that they are looking for more 74-200's.

Do you understand the difference between the 747-400 and the 787 in terms of capacity and break-even pax/cargo load. It will allow lots of new direct service in thinner markets that would be untenable with any other a/c.

Plenty of 747-200's in the desert and aluminum processing centers. Should be easy to find since they are stationary objects.

....and the 787 is great for making bases like NRT obsolete.

 

[General Lee]

Still beatin that drum? We've covered this before, but since you have selective amnesia: NWA has a 5 hour average day. The -9 FO will never be paid 1:00 credit for that day. Maybe he was a new hire who doesn't understand this basic FACT. His 5 day will pay a minimum of 25:00 credit. If it puts him over 80 that will be x1.5.

So, you have great work rules? Excuse me then....Anyway, you have 5 day domestic trips? He said he does a lot, and he did say his first day was one leg to MDW. That sounds wonderful. We don't have 5 day domestic trips. If they are worth 25 hours, then I guess that is ok....Kinda like our 6 day INTL trips worth 35 or more hours. Not bad. It's great that you have x1.5 for over 80 hours though. What does 1.5 x one hour of pay on a DC9 equal anyway?


Sure I can. Its called the "scope clause"...unless we are forced to accept the current DAL scope clause in which case I suppose 68 DC9s could go away. But you know that...

Everyone except you guys know the DC9s are on the chopping block. They are inefficient and gas guzzlers. 30 are leaving this year alone. Don't worry, next year they will give you a new excuse--maybe they need room for the 787s...?

Wrong. That's your plan. NWA's stated policy is that they are looking for more 74-200's. Read the AirCargo article linked in another thread. 787's to replace the 330's and 400's? Uhhh NO. That has never been the plan for the 787. Different mission entirely. We've been buying new 330's through late last year and are now the largest operator of them in the world. Do you understand the difference between the 747-400 and the 787 in terms of capacity and break-even pax/cargo load. It will allow lots of new direct service in thinner markets that would be untenable with any other a/c. 744 for high density(416 pax) long range routes, 330 for mid to long range medium density routes, and 787 for ultra long range medium density routes.

Looking for more 742s? Go look towards UPS--they are dumping theirs....Well, some aviation folks think the 744s are going to replace the 742s. High oil will make Steenland think twice about keeping that gas guzzling fleet alive. Look at every Pacific Rim airline out there flying cargo. Every one is replacing their 742s with 744s--JAL Cargo, NCA, Cathay, etc. They are also replacing their PAX 744s with 773s. The only airline adding larger planes is Singapore currently (A380)

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Plenty of 747-200's in the desert and aluminum processing centers. Should be easy to find since they are stationary objects.

....and the 787 is great for making bases like NRT obsolete.

UPS can had them over to NWA cargo right now. All of their 741s and 742s are parked now, and they are getting new 744s.

And, NRT was very important when airlines needed a fuel stop. Now 777s are flying right over and past it. We have a 777ER starting ATL--PVG late next month, which means southerners and South Americans don't have to stop in DTW either.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[sat74]

The 787s are not even on the property so until that happens they dont belong to anyone. If they are aquired after a merger, would they not belong to the "new" entity and be bid on by whoever can hold them?

 

[DTW320]

Plenty of 747-200's in the desert and aluminum processing centers. Should be easy to find since they are stationary objects.

....and the 787 is great for making bases like NRT obsolete.

NRT O/D traffic. This too has been covered. Try to keep up ok?