NWA/DAL + Air France $750 Mil

[JoeMerchant]

Joe - there are advantages for both sides. But you have to look at it from the perspective of those you are trying to sell your ideas to. Of course the mainline guys only interest is job security, they want 777's and 787's under their command - they don't covet RJ's. That look is something else entirely....

I'm not sure what you mean by a double staple, but something like the "fair" plan I posted seems to be palatable to most. The folks who interviewed, took a $100,000+ pay cut (as many ASA LCA's have done) & slogged through a commute to a far away base to fly MD88's on reserve are never going to accept something that does not give them pay back on their sacrifice and investment in their careers. That's understandable.

There is no advantage to a pure staple for me.....I don't have any desire to be at the bottom of Delta's list....That can be done the way you did it....Apply and get hired......

A double staple is a cross bidding scenario that allows a regional guy to bid over below the mainline guys when he chooses to cross over, and allows a mainline pilot to bid over/or furlough below the regional guy on the regional equipment...

I'm not trying to "sell" the idea of a single list between ASA and DAL anymore......that was something I pushed for back in 2000.....A lot has happened in 8 years....Now I want a single list at Skywest and I want Skywest to grow....

It is you that is now going to have to sell a single list to me for DAL/ASA.....IMO that ship sailed.....I'd rather be at the top of an ASA/Skywest list than the bottom of a Delta list....

What would I make realistically over the next 7 years at Delta based on current payrates and projected movement?

 

[Superpilot92]

There is no advantage to a pure staple for me.....I don't have any desire to be at the bottom of Delta's list....That can be done the way you did it....Apply and get hired......

A double staple is a cross bidding scenario that allows a regional guy to bid over below the mainline guys when he chooses to cross over, and allows a mainline pilot to bid over/or furlough below the regional guy on the regional equipment...

I'm not trying to "sell" the idea of a single list between ASA and DAL anymore......that was something I pushed for back in 2000.....A lot has happened in 8 years....Now I want a single list at Skywest and I want Skywest to grow....

It is you that is now going to have to sell a single list to me for DAL/ASA.....IMO that ship sailed.....I'd rather be at the top of an ASA/Skywest list than the bottom of a Delta list....

What would I make realistically over the next 7 years at Delta based on current payrates and projected movement?

That sounds nice, up until DAL/NWA starts cutting regional feed and replacing it BACK to mainline.

 

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Joe - you posted before my revision

I do not share your optimism for SKYW; the ASA pilots have been rejected by both the SKYW pilots and their management. They do not want a merger.

SkyWest has things going for it, like a very favorable contract with mother D and a billion in the bank (thanks to the foregoing agreement, mostly with mother D). SkyWest management has done a better job than most avoiding potholes in the industry.

But going forward I am not optimistic that they can continue their level of success. For one, some of their partners are chafing under costs of the agreements and looking for a way out.

We will have to wait and see.

Your income at DAL over 7 years would certainly be better than ASA. I think you would be even the third year with conservative bidding and less with aggressive bidding. To make up the initial loss of pay would take four to five years. There are several variables. If the NWA merger happens the break even would be more than 15 years based on current numbers. We can only guess what the future numbers would be, but the current effect of the DC9's and Airbus rates with few widebody slots going senior is huge for new hires. Possibly 'catastrophic" is a more accurate adjective.

I'm sure Superpilot is already typing his response that Delta guys should not feel entitled to their aircraft.

 

[FDJ2]

[FONT=Arial,sans-serif] The agreement calls for significant additions to ALPA's internal policies and practices, including:[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,sans-serif]Mandatory pre-bargaining disclosure between mainline/express pilot groups.[/FONT]

Yep, like I said, we'll send you a memo when we make our decision.
[FONT=Arial,sans-serif][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,sans-serif]The ability of mainline/express negotiating committees to consult with each other on proposed scope bargaining plans.[/FONT]

You're always welcomed to talk to us about the memo.
[FONT=Arial,sans-serif][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,sans-serif]Review of scope goals and scope bargaining proposals by a special subcommittee of the national collective bargaining committee. [/FONT]

You can review our memo too.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

The RJDC litigation accompliished nothing. Dan Ford and the RJDC took hard earned money from their supporters and then threw in the towel just before they had to present their case. They never even took it to a jury. How pathetic.

At the end of the day all you got was the right to receive a memo.

 

[Superpilot92]

Joe - you posted before my revision

I do not share your optimism for SKYW; the ASA pilots have been rejected by both the SKYW pilots and their management. They do not want a merger.

SkyWest has things going for it, like a very favorable contract with mother D and a billion in the bank (thanks to the foregoing agreement, mostly with mother D). SkyWest management has done a better job than most avoiding potholes in the industry.

But going forward I am not optimistic that they can continue their level of success. For one, some of their partners are chafing under costs of the agreements and looking for a way out.

We will have to wait and see.

Your income at DAL over 7 years would certainly be better than ASA. I think you would be even the third year with conservative bidding and less with aggressive bidding. To make up the initial loss of pay would take four to five years. There are several variables. If the NWA merger happens the break even would be more than 15 years based on current numbers. We can only guess what the future numbers would be, but the current effect of the DC9's and Airbus rates with few widebody slots going senior is huge for new hires. Possibly 'catastrophic" is a more accurate adjective.

I'm sure Superpilot is already typing his response that Delta guys should not feel entitled to their aircraft.

Where have i ever said anyone is entitled to anything? I want this to be fair just as much as you do. Thats like me saying i should be "entitled" to the retirements coming up at NWA. Entitlement and airlines do not go together, you know that!! We are newbs and we are along for the ride . None the less IMHO it beats the he!l out of being at our regionals. There is no need to get bent, who knows we may be co-workers very soon....:nuts:

 

[737 Pylt]

You can review our memo too.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

The RJDC litigation accompliished nothing. Dan Ford and the RJDC took hard earned money from their supporters and then threw in the towel just before they had to present their case. They never even took it to a jury. How pathetic.

At the end of the day all you got was the right to receive a memo.

Let's not forget to put that rjdc spin on it that they WON the litigation! After guys like Joe, Dan and Jessee are all about "spin."

727

 

[FDJ2]

Let's not forget to put that rjdc spin on it that they WON the litigation!

Well of course they won.

I hear that writing the memo on a napkin in Waffle House meets all the requirements of the great RJDC victory.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[Occam's Razor]

Is it too late to point out that the article starting this thread is wrong?

It's not "dollars".