04 Feb 2008 Delta New Hire Drop

[Starscream]

Just curious, but does anybody know the average age/total times of recent newhires at DAL??

I'm kinda bummed these days cause I've always wanted to work for Delta (grew up and live 10 mins from JFK), but I'm stuck in Eagle limbo right now (been here 4 years and am gambling on upgrading here quicker than I would if I were to make a lateral move at this time), and I just don't know anyone at DAL. None of the CAs I fly with make the jump because most of them are lifers.

I'm 28 with 3500 TT, 2200 SIC, and 0 TPIC, and I can't help but think I'm missing the boat on this hiring wave.

 

[jke406]

I'm 28 with 3500 TT, 2200 SIC, and 0 TPIC, and I can't help but think I'm missing the boat on this hiring wave.

My man, you need some PIC badly. Unless you know someone or have a demographic advantage, you will not get called by anyone without it.

 

[Starscream]

My man, you need some PIC badly. Unless you know someone or have a demographic advantage, you will not get called by anyone without it.

I know!!!

Unfortunately, I just can't walk into the store and buy TPIC time.

I'd take chances, but I don't want to make a lateral to a quick-upgrade-regional for which I'd have to commute and then have things go south if the upgrades there come to a grinding halt (i.e. lengthy time spent commuting to be a reserve FO when I made the jump there to be a CA!! Again I live in NY and we really don't have any quick upgrade regionals here.)

That said, though, I am very willing to commute to SJU to be an ATR CA here at Eagle, and I'm taking a gamble by staying here and cautiously-optimistically hoping that I'll be able to get that within the next year (2008).

 

[4.0atRIDDLE]

Just curious, but does anybody know the average age/total times of recent newhires at DAL??

I'm kinda bummed these days cause I've always wanted to work for Delta (grew up and live 10 mins from JFK), but I'm stuck in Eagle limbo right now (been here 4 years and am gambling on upgrading here quicker than I would if I were to make a lateral move at this time), and I just don't know anyone at DAL. None of the CAs I fly with make the jump because most of them are lifers.

I'm 28 with 3500 TT, 2200 SIC, and 0 TPIC, and I can't help but think I'm missing the boat on this hiring wave.

There have been a few guys hired at DAL with no turbine PIC. And several of those came from Eagle. DAL knows the upgrade time at Eagle is forever.

Your main problem isn't your lack of turbine PIC, it is the fact you don't know anyone there. That is definitely the key to getting the interview!

 

[tbkane]

Also, lack of total time. I helped get my buddy from Eagle hired but he had 7,000 tt and no PIC.

 

[WDE]

Just did the pre-screen with chief pilots office, and was told I would be getting the call within a week or so. He told me to really be ready for the tests, they had some high failure rates in JAN. My biggest concern is the tech portion, as I haven't studied any of that stuff in a long time. Any hints where to go to get some good study material or gouge for that matter. Thanks in advance !

 

[Networ-King]

That's unbelievable. Why on Earth would you not do it by date of birth, oldest=most senior?

This was not the case in 01. It was definitely age when I went to class, but I guess that has changed. All in all.... who gives a rats rear end once you're in, you're in... right?

 

[flynryan15]

Can anyone post what airlines/ military these guys were hired from? As much info on class breakdown as possible for JAn and Feb.

Thanks

 

[Superpilot92]

I know!!!

Unfortunately, I just can't walk into the store and buy TPIC time.

I'd take chances, but I don't want to make a lateral to a quick-upgrade-regional for which I'd have to commute and then have things go south if the upgrades there come to a grinding halt (i.e. lengthy time spent commuting to be a reserve FO when I made the jump there to be a CA!! Again I live in NY and we really don't have any quick upgrade regionals here.)

That said, though, I am very willing to commute to SJU to be an ATR CA here at Eagle, and I'm taking a gamble by staying here and cautiously-optimistically hoping that I'll be able to get that within the next year (2008).

Why not jump to a regional thats hiring Street CA's?

 

[Tanker Clown]

Also, lack of total time. I helped get my buddy from Eagle hired but he had 7,000 tt and no PIC.

You can get hired at Delta with 0 PIC? Man, that explains a lot. Wow. Maybe a 15 year upgrade is a good thing.

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

You can get hired at Delta with 0 PIC? Man, that explains a lot. Wow. Maybe a 15 year upgrade is a good thing.

Also, Continental, United, the Air Force, the Navy, the Army, and the Marines hire with zero PIC. What's your point?

I like your avatar of Kucinich. He is the only politician who actively looks out for labor.

 

[~~~^~~~]

AE bid supposed to be out either Friday, or Monday, with 500 slots. Bid what you want, want what you bid. Merger might be imminent.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Also, lack of total time. I helped get my buddy from Eagle hired but he had 7,000 tt and no PIC.

How does that happen? Seriously? Upgrades at Eagle that long?

 

[MJG]

This was not the case in 01. It was definitely age when I went to class, but I guess that has changed. All in all.... who gives a rats rear end once you're in, you're in... right?

I would think that if everyone in a new hire class is the exact same age, let's say within a year of each other, then yea, who gives a rip. But if you are in a class and just for arguments sake, let's say you are 10 years older than everyone else in your class, that's 10 less years that you will have to work. You should be considered the most senior because all the young wipper snappers behind you will have 10 more years than you, so why would they care if the oldest guy was the most senior in the class?

This is one argument where I'm actually pulling for the older crowd.

Yea, we're only talking maybe 20-30 numbers difference but depending on the airline, that can make all the difference in the world.

 

[~~~^~~~]

My biggest concern is the tech portion, as I haven't studied any of that stuff in a long time. Any hints where to go to get some good study material or gouge for that matter. Thanks in advance !

ATP written test information. Gleim makes a good, cheap, guide. Three questions were FE written type questions that you could figure out just using common sense. I would stay away from the "Everything Explained" book some have referenced. The author's rough rules of thumb are good for flying part 91, but not close enough to consistently score the right answers on a written.

 

[PuffDriver]

I would think that if everyone in a new hire class is the exact same age, let's say within a year of each other, then yea, who gives a rip. But if you are in a class and just for arguments sake, let's say you are 10 years older than everyone else in your class, that's 10 less years that you will have to work. You should be considered the most senior because all the young wipper snappers behind you will have 10 more years than you, so why would they care if the oldest guy was the most senior in the class?

This is one argument where I'm actually pulling for the older crowd.

Yea, we're only talking maybe 20-30 numbers difference but depending on the airline, that can make all the difference in the world.

..and the antithesis of that argument is where has that older guy been? Military retirement? Late bloomer? Either way, it doesn't really matter. Punishing a younger aviator for getting to Delta sooner in age is not acceptable. Airlines are realizing that, and the union has embraced it. it is a past practice that need to change, and did.

Nuff said.

 

[WDE]

ATP written test information. Gleim makes a good, cheap, guide. Three questions were FE written type questions that you could figure out just using common sense. I would stay away from the "Everything Explained" book some have referenced. The author's rough rules of thumb are good for flying part 91, but not close enough to consistently score the right answers on a written.

Thanks for the info, just got an email from D. Better get to studying.

 

[Networ-King]

I would think that if everyone in a new hire class is the exact same age, let's say within a year of each other, then yea, who gives a rip. But if you are in a class and just for arguments sake, let's say you are 10 years older than everyone else in your class, that's 10 less years that you will have to work. You should be considered the most senior because all the young wipper snappers behind you will have 10 more years than you, so why would they care if the oldest guy was the most senior in the class?

This is one argument where I'm actually pulling for the older crowd.

Yea, we're only talking maybe 20-30 numbers difference but depending on the airline, that can make all the difference in the world.

I used to think the same way about this theory and I was one of the most junior guys in class. But puffdriver makes a good point as well. I guess the SSN is the best way for randomness and all the equal rights bullspit.....

In the end.... if you don't like the way a company does things.... you can always yank your resume from the pile. Not trying to be a smartarse here, but every airline out there does their own thing and it just don't make no sense .....eeehhh?

 

[wings421]

Just did the pre-screen with chief pilots office, and was told I would be getting the call within a week or so. He told me to really be ready for the tests, they had some high failure rates in JAN. My biggest concern is the tech portion, as I haven't studied any of that stuff in a long time. Any hints where to go to get some good study material or gouge for that matter. Thanks in advance !

I studied the old gouge and that helped. ATP written, Mental Math, and some aerodynamic references should be all you need. There were about 10 on the test I was so/so about (narrowed it down to two) and about 3 that I just had to guess. After studying the above books, I don't think that I'd have done any better with an open book test (using any references available).

 

[Jetsetter]

I studied the old gouge and that helped. ATP written, Mental Math, and some aerodynamic references should be all you need. There were about 10 on the test I was so/so about (narrowed it down to two) and about 3 that I just had to guess. After studying the above books, I don't think that I'd have done any better with an open book test (using any references available).

So did you pass and get hired ? If you did congrats.