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ualdriver

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Just three more of the many "little" things that ALPA does on behalf of our Profession, transparently to most pilots........


Open Skies
The first stage of Open Skies goes into effect March 30, 2008. We continue to support our alliances in Congress, in opposition of this agreement, as the DOT and White House wish. Congressman James Oberstar (D-MN) has made it clear to the EU aviation community that there will be no modifications to foreign ownership restrictions. Negotiations on eliminating Cabotage and Foreign Ownership restrictions are scheduled for this spring. This issue remains the single greatest threat to our careers. I will update you as this develops.

Lost Retirement Savings Act
Two key ALPA-supported bills were introduced late last year that would allow pilots to recover some of their lost retirement benefits by offering a retirement savings option to those whose defined benefit plans were terminated or frozen in bankruptcy proceedings after September 11, 2001 and before January 1, 2007. ALPA members are urged to participate in a new grassroots Action Alert to enlist congressional support for these two bills, and prompt speedy action on them. Sign on to www.alpa.org ,members only section, to send your message of support to your congressional leaders.

The Pilots Equitable Treatment Act
Although the pilot retirement age changed on December 13, 2007, when President Bush signed into law H.R. 4343, (P.L. 110-135), there remains a critical need for Congress to pass H.R. 2103 and S. 1270 The Pilots Equitable Treatment Act (aka Akaka/Miller). Although the pilot retirement age has been raised to 65, there are still pilots who will be penalized on the guaranteed level of benefits they receive from the PBGC because age 60 was the mandatory retirement age at the time their defined benefit plans were terminated. We have updated the suggested message for ALPA members to send to your federal legislators to reflect this situation, and continue to urge your participation in this important grassroots effort. Go to our website, www.alpa.org , for more information, and the tools to write to your congressional leaders.

CrewPASS (airport access)
The TSA is required, by law, to provide flight crewmembers access through airport security checkpoints, within eighteen months from the bill signing date of August 3, 2007. We should expect to have this procedure implemented no later than February 3, 2009. For more information visit the ALPA website www.alpa.org in the member’s only section.
 
You've got to be kidding right? F National. Prater's an idiot, and will be thrown out. Any reconciliation will only start with a stand up, not BANG the junior pilot, fight for everything kind of person. Guy or Girl, anything is better than Prater. Him and his bathroom boy just SCREWED the majority of Pilots in America.
 
Just wait for the ALPA twist on Open Skies-

Although a majority of pilots opposed open skies, a majority supported assisting with the implementation should open skies be allowed, therefore ALPA will support open skies.

Sound familiar?

How about putting some effort into an updated version of the RLA, or preferably its elimination?
 
Just wait for the ALPA twist on Open Skies-

Although a majority of pilots opposed open skies, a majority supported assisting with the implementation should open skies be allowed, therefore ALPA will support open skies.

Sound familiar?

How about putting some effort into an updated version of the RLA, or preferably its elimination?

First of all, why don't YOU put some effort into learning about what steps ALPA may or may not take concerning the RLA and getting airline pilots out from underneath that uselss Act? The title doesn't say "here's some stuff that Dirty Sanchez wants to read about concerning ALPA legislative issues......." It reads, "What has ALPA done for me lately?" Feel free to do some research, contact your legislative reps, and start a thread on that very topic. I'd be very interested in reading about what you've learned.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised to see a poll where ALPA is going to ask its members if it's better off to fruitlessly "fight to the death" or try to get cabotage/foreign ownership language that favors pilots in any legislation concerning that issue when it becomes unwinnable. As I've said repeatedly, I think globablization is far bigger than ALPA and eventually we will lose that battle. Hopefully ALPA will be smart enough to not foolishly "fight to the death" and get nothing on behalf of U.S. Airline Pilots just to appease ALPA members who think ALPA doesn't do anything for them unless it falls on its sword trying.
 
I think ALPA National should be trying to get the RLA updated to reflect today's realities. The whole act is tilted towards management. If the old gummers at APAAD and SWAPA could overturn the age 6o mandate then I am sure a unified front from ALPA could probably get the RLA changed a little to help us out.
 
Who cares about "open skies"......We already have "open skies".....We are all competing with one another and driving down pay......

In fact, many pilots are leaving here to go work overseas because they pay more over there now.....Open skies is a straw argument to divert attention from the fact that ALPA has failed.....

I will be replaced by a fellow "union brother" here long before I am replaced by a foreign pilot.......
 
I think ALPA National should be trying to get the RLA updated to reflect today's realities.


Respectfully, why do you think ALPA Nat'l should do it... Why not you?



The whole act is tilted towards management.

This whole profession is titled toward management. That is the whole point and has been for over 120 years.

Those who control wealth will not stand for the flow of cash to be interupted.

So what are YOU going to do about it?



If the old gummers at APAAD and SWAPA could overturn the age 6o mandate then I am sure a unified front from ALPA could probably get the RLA changed a little to help us out.

Exactly.... but it is not ALPA.... it is ALPA pilots...

Then you got spiked egg noggers like Joe Merchant that love to be irresposible and motivate negatively, other pilots to hate the very and only oganization that can provide resources to help themselves protect thier career.

It doesn't matter who you are.... if you want this profession to get better you've got to get more involved.

Blaming the leadership, waiting for better leadership, hating other groups... all that stuff has to go away and a dedicated focus on problem solving needs to commence...

What have you got to lose?

Ego?
Democracy?
Your career?
 
Thanks for the update, ualdriver. Always good to see that ALPA continues to do the work of profession, even when the members are a bunch of apathetic whiners.
 
"Those who control wealth will not stand for the flow of cash to be interupted."

Exactly...This is why ALPA national pushes to have agency shop in it's contracts". I have been an ALPA member over 4 years now and remain so only because I have to be or I lose my job. Thus, since my union dues are basically extorted from me, I expect that those whom I pay to represent me would do it well (" Respectfully, why do you think ALPA Nat'l should do it... Why not you?").

If I hire someone to clean my house, when I come home, I expect the house to be clean, not to have to clean it myself.

If my cleaning lady was doing a lousy job in my opinion, I would fire her, save my money and clean my own toilet. The problem is, with ALPO's agency shop, you can't fire the cleaning lady who is doing a lousy job. What impetus then, does our MEC and National have to do a good job representing it's constituency? They get their money anyway (it all rolls back to "Those who control wealth will not stand for the flow of cash to be interupted"
 
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"ALPA member for four years"

Wow. You are lucky it has been such a short time. Cheer up... you only have twenty or so more years to go. Unless maybe the civil war withing ALPA causes them to fail sooner. We can hope.
 
Respectfully, why do you think ALPA Nat'l should do it... Why not you?





This whole profession is titled toward management. That is the whole point and has been for over 120 years.

Those who control wealth will not stand for the flow of cash to be interupted.

So what are YOU going to do about it?





Exactly.... but it is not ALPA.... it is ALPA pilots...

Then you got spiked egg noggers like Joe Merchant that love to be irresposible and motivate negatively, other pilots to hate the very and only oganization that can provide resources to help themselves protect thier career.

It doesn't matter who you are.... if you want this profession to get better you've got to get more involved.

Blaming the leadership, waiting for better leadership, hating other groups... all that stuff has to go away and a dedicated focus on problem solving needs to commence...

What have you got to lose?

Ego?
Democracy?
Your career?

I need to get more involved??? Do you know me? Also, I never blamed leadership. I just put forth an idea and thought someone could comment on the worthiness of it. Then along comes magnanimous you. I see what you are trying to do but you are doing a very poor job of it. Don't attack everyone as being lazy and not volunteering. Your holier-than-thou attitude is getting a little over the top and is becoming counter-productive. Just like Joe Merchant. I just got off probation and am on my first committee. Rest assured I will look into my idea...I don't need you here lecturing me (on something you know nothing about).
So, what are your ideas Rez? All I hear from you is how much we all suck and need to do more.
 
Who cares about "open skies"......We already have "open skies".....We are all competing with one another and driving down pay......

In fact, many pilots are leaving here to go work overseas because they pay more over there now.....Open skies is a straw argument to divert attention from the fact that ALPA has failed.....

I will be replaced by a fellow "union brother" here long before I am replaced by a foreign pilot.......

Joe, the mainline pilots are just mad because now they're going to have to face the same competition and downward pressure of wage we have been facing for years here in the regionals. Poor babies.

They created this mess with ineffective exclusive scope. Now they reap the reward as Asian, Latin, and European pilots raid their hubs. If they had brought the industry together 10 years ago, when certain airlines filed a PID, we could be fighting a united front. But now, the industry is so fractured, nobody, especially ALPA, can put up any real resistance to the tidal wave of cheap airline labor approaching our shores. We are the next shipping industry and ALPA is fiddling while Rome burns.
 
I need to get more involved??? Do you know me? Also, I never blamed leadership. I just put forth an idea and thought someone could comment on the worthiness of it. Then along comes magnanimous you. I see what you are trying to do but you are doing a very poor job of it. Don't attack everyone as being lazy and not volunteering. Your holier-than-thou attitude is getting a little over the top and is becoming counter-productive. Just like Joe Merchant. I just got off probation and am on my first committee. Rest assured I will look into my idea...I don't need you here lecturing me (on something you know nothing about).
So, what are your ideas Rez? All I hear from you is how much we all suck and need to do more.
Relax. Rez is so used to the nimrods around here that don't do anything other than bit-- and whine that he probably just assumed that you were yet another one of them. Thanks for your service on an ALPA committee.

As for your idea, I agree that it would be wonderful to fix the RLA, but you have to think of this from the perspective of political strategy. What is the current environment in Washington? Who is in the White House? Are there any bad elements in Congress that could cause this to backfire on us? These are important things to consider when you start thinking about modifying or completely replacing the entire system that governs our bargaining ability. Things to consider:

1. With such slim Democratic majorities in the House and Senate, passing any sort of legislation that would be in favor of labor would be just about impossible. The more likely outcome would be a huge compromise bill that could inadvertently make things much worse. If we wait until the next session of Congress, we could end up with much bigger majorities that would make things much more favorable to our cause.

2. The President that is currently in the White House will never sign any legislation that puts more power into the hands of the labor movement. We could waste countless money and resources to get a bill pushed through Congress, only to have the President veto it. And with such slim majorities in the Congress, a veto override is an impossibility.

3. About five or six years ago, there actually was a bill being discussed on the Hill about modifying the RLA. The bill was called McCain-Lott. The basic idea of the bill was "baseball-style arbitration." In other words, the two parties would negotiate for a set period of time, and if they couldn't come to an agreement, both sides would submit their "last, best offer" to an arbitrator who would just pick one of the offers. The arbitrator's pick would be binding. This obviously would have been devastating to labor. The right to strike (our only leverage) would have been officially outlawed. Thanks to ALPA's hard work, we managed to kill this godforsaken bill. But Senator McCain is still in the Senate, and he's still holding on to this idea. If we start pushing for changes to the RLA, you can bet that he'll dredge up this monstrosity. With such slim Democratic majorities, he just might be able to push such a thing through. Better to wait until the pro-labor forces are larger on the Hill.

P.S. Any pilot who's thinking about voting for John McCain needs to have his head examined. This man is the most anti-pilot politician you could ever imagine.
 
Joe, the mainline pilots are just mad because now they're going to have to face the same competition and downward pressure of wage we have been facing for years here in the regionals. Poor babies.

They created this mess with ineffective exclusive scope. Now they reap the reward as Asian, Latin, and European pilots raid their hubs. If they had brought the industry together 10 years ago, when certain airlines filed a PID, we could be fighting a united front. But now, the industry is so fractured, nobody, especially ALPA, can put up any real resistance to the tidal wave of cheap airline labor approaching our shores. We are the next shipping industry and ALPA is fiddling while Rome burns.

Exacty.....The ironic thing is there are ASA pilots trying to get on with Indian carriers.....Anyone else see the irony there when Rez. is trying to get us all worked up over foreign ownership..... Pssstt.....in many cases they pay more.......

Rez. is playing 3 Card Monty.....and most aren't falling for it......
 
Thanks for the update, ualdriver. Always good to see that ALPA continues to do the work of profession, even when the members are a bunch of apathetic whiners.

This very thread counters your argument here.....So ALPA can improve things even though the membership is apathetic......Why is it credit goes to ALPA for the victories, and blame goes to the membership for the losses......

Any chance some of the apathy stems from people getting tired of all the blame while the National structure takes all the credit....

You and Rez can't have it both ways.....Either ALPA gets the credit and the blame, or they get neither the blame or the credit.....
 
P.S. Any pilot who's thinking about voting for John McCain needs to have his head examined. This man is the most anti-pilot politician you could ever imagine.

I agree. He also has other baggage that the Dems and media will use against him - "the Keating Five" should he get the nod.

He created that POS legislation McCain-Feingold (sp?) which basically favors big business and lobbyists but screws the common person.

I do disagree though that any POTUS really cares about pilots or labor in general. It is ironic that people distrust management but trust politicians. Think they are of the same cloth.
 
I have been an ALPA member over 4 years now and remain so only because I have to be or I lose my job. Thus, since my union dues are basically extorted from me, I expect that those whom I pay to represent me would do it well

El Pobre-

Just out of curiosity:

1) Which airline do you fly for?
2) If you have such a low opinion of ALPA and feel that your dues are being extorted from you, what steps are you personally taking to work for a non-ALPA airline?
3) Why did you choose to work for an ALPA airline in the first place?
 

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