Delta and ASA close call in ATL

[Wildmanny]

What's the plan to blackball me? Are you going to just blackball every guy from the AF who flew KC-135's and KC-10's? Sounds like a good plan.

The reserve unit we fly with has pleanty of FedEx guys in it who said they'd sponsor me. Most of them are Capts now.

No, we don't do that to every guy who flew the 135 and the 10--just the morons.

Yeah, I'm sure the Reserve unit you fly with will sponsor you. Ask this question: Why you and not their own Reserve buddies? It doesn't really work like you describe. Besides, I think it's really neat that your friends in the Reserves are captains--too bad that it really doesn't matter who sponsors you at big Purple. Best of luck--if you want to get hired there, you should probably be working on your French or Mandarin. You are a gem!

 

[Oakum_Boy]

is it me or does it seem like we have a lot of new ATC in ATL going through training right now? I haven't heard half of these voices before. One is foreign and swallows his mic when he talks making it almost impossible to understand him. Anyone else notice this?

Bingo! They aren't very good, and I have to ask some of them to repeat things. But be careful! You might get labeled a racist!!! Now if we could just get Buzz and his crew back to work.

 

[atl pilot]

Yes, there are a lot of newbies. Not just at ATL. Also at A80 (ATL Apch) and ZTL (ATL Center). Many youngsters. Some are giving me grey hair way before my time. But at least (the FAA) they've given us trainees. I understand MCO is hurting worse than us. Remember folks, we all had to start somehwere - count your blessing you didn't have to do your private in a B767, or you might not still be flying! Cut them some slack....and help them to make it through. These young people are the future of our industry (and my relief)!
And I miss the "old school" crowd too. Many who I came up with have gone on to enjoy retirement. My count down is on and running!

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Yes, there are a lot of newbies. Not just at ATL. Also at A80 (ATL Apch) and ZTL (ATL Center). Many youngsters. Some are giving me grey hair way before my time. But at least (the FAA) they've given us trainees. I understand MCO is hurting worse than us. Remember folks, we all had to start somehwere - count your blessing you didn't have to do your private in a B767, or you might not still be flying! Cut them some slack....and help them to make it through. These young people are the future of our industry (and my relief)!
And I miss the "old school" crowd too. Many who I came up with have gone on to enjoy retirement. My count down is on and running!

Tell you what ATL....You and NATCA are really losing any credibility you had regarding safety. ANY INCURSION, ANY SAFETY ISSUE, you people run to the media (Example LAX , Delta crosses runway in front of a departing 727 and the controller, who runs LAX's chapter of NATCA is spilling beans with speculative stratements about how he "TOLD THEM TO HOLD SHORT" in a story in the LA times the very NEXT DAY!!!) ...something doesn't go right and you run to the media......I guess NASA reports don't work on your side of the fence????

A Safety issue shouldn't be debated in the mainstream media. You are using safety as political capital for your contract struggles...and that is despicable....no investigation, no interviews of the parties involved....just "LETS CALL CNN, who cares about the facts......"

I think you are the best at what you do and you should be rewarded greatly, but you do us all in the industry a disservice when you use safety as a pawn in your monetery chess game!!!

Hmmmm....I wonder who leaked the ATL incident to CNN .....crazy, how it happened at 10, but didn't leak until 3 pm after the Delta crew called the facility......hmmmmm......

 

[atl pilot]

Bill, I said exactly this earlier to someone else:

I cannot agree with you more. I have already fired off an angry email to my union press guys and local president. I am very angry about how this was handled. Five-minutes of free publicity is no good when its done on someone else's (the ASA pilot group) misfortune, or disdains their intregity.

This is the straw (for me) that breaks the camels back with repect to my union. I have no idea how this info got out to the press yesterday, but I personally am appaled about how it was handled once it was out there! NATCA's reposnse was terribly in appropriate. I completely agree with you.

So, please do not think that we are all part of this problem! Some of us really agree and stand firmly with our pilot counterparts.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

My apologies ATL...I was raging on the keyboard and didn't read your whole post.....I stand corrected....you DO get it.....

I'm glad that you let someone know that these media issues need to be addressed.

Thanks!

 

[737 Pylt]

No, we don't do that to every guy who flew the 135 and the 10--just the morons.

Yeah, I'm sure the Reserve unit you fly with will sponsor you. Ask this question: Why you and not their own Reserve buddies? It doesn't really work like you describe. Besides, I think it's really neat that your friends in the Reserves are captains--too bad that it really doesn't matter who sponsors you at big Purple. Best of luck--if you want to get hired there, you should probably be working on your French or Mandarin. You are a gem!

Wildmanny:
It doesn't really matter. A POS like him won't ever make it past the interview. He can go in there with 10 sponsors, and the interviewers will see through him for the sniveling little prick he is! That's why he has all this vitrol towards DL, he didn't get hired, and had to go back in the military. HE's only hoping for the SWA interview.

737

 

[Tanker Clown]

Wildmanny:
It doesn't really matter. A POS like him won't ever make it past the interview. He can go in there with 10 sponsors, and the interviewers will see through him for the sniveling little prick he is! That's why he has all this vitrol towards DL, he didn't get hired, and had to go back in the military. HE's only hoping for the SWA interview.

737

If you guys are still hiring when I put my app in I'll get a job at delta. How hard can it be? They hired you. Chances are, by the time I can retire from the AF you guys will be knee deep in the middle of another furlough....and be in the process of taking pay cuts...again. Besides, there's no way you'll ever even know when/if I interview.

 

[737 Pylt]

If you guys are still hiring when I put my app in I'll get a job at delta. How hard can it be? They hired you. Chances are, by the time I can retire from the AF you guys will be knee deep in the middle of another furlough....and be in the process of taking pay cuts...again.

And still better paid than tanker pilots!

Besides, there's no way you'll ever even know when/if I interview.

Sure I will, you'll be the lowest time doosh bag begging to get hired. Much like you didn't at SWA & Fed Ex!:laugh:
I'll leave you with the next comment, thus having the last say!

737

 

[ASADFW7]

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[JumpersAway]

It's funny- with mass of info on the load manifest, it deletes the only two things I REALLY care about: trim setting and flap setting. I've been writing it there anyways. My brief:

Trim, flaps, initial altitude- the rest is just a waste.

 

[Lowrider717]

is it me or does it seem like we have a lot of new ATC in ATL going through training right now? I haven't heard half of these voices before. One is foreign and swallows his mic when he talks making it almost impossible to understand him. Anyone else notice this?

Seems like I remember an ATL ATC guy on the plane a couple of months ago said that they are indeed doing a lot of training. Not sure how long its gonna last but I did notice effieciency suffer.(ie separation resulting in almost going missed)

 

[John Pennekamp]

Yes, there are a lot of newbies. Not just at ATL. Also at A80 (ATL Apch) and ZTL (ATL Center). Many youngsters. Some are giving me grey hair way before my time. But at least (the FAA) they've given us trainees. I understand MCO is hurting worse than us. Remember folks, we all had to start somehwere - count your blessing you didn't have to do your private in a B767, or you might not still be flying! Cut them some slack....and help them to make it through. These young people are the future of our industry (and my relief)!
And I miss the "old school" crowd too. Many who I came up with have gone on to enjoy retirement. My count down is on and running!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought ATL was a "final career destination", not a place for new controllers. Kinda like how Delta new hires don't get 777 captain. If true, why are you getting so many "youngsters"?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

.....sorry, but I don't see anything funny about this....this is happening too often and it results in more stupid procedures from the FAA which make things worse.....

I'm with Joe. PCL normally your rants are just annoying considering your background. Your little "joke" crossed the line into offensive. You should just admit it was in poor taste and apologize like a grown up.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Seems like I remember an ATL ATC guy on the plane a couple of months ago said that they are indeed doing a lot of training. Not sure how long its gonna last but I did notice effieciency suffer.(ie separation resulting in almost going missed)

It was real interesting when they switched on PRM approaches, one day a late turn by ATC sent us through the 10 loc and found ourselves forming up to refuel with a CRJ 500 feet above us on 9R....... we were in and out of IMC.......good thing we broke away quick when we saw him because he was just grabbing the glideslope.....
....scary.....controller apologized, he was busy, we couldn't even get a word in to ask him for the turn...he was promptly replaced by a female voice shortly thereafter.....I can make a mistake and the other guy can catch it, controllers make one and they are bending metal.....lots of pressure

That's why the altitudes are staggered 3500, 4000 for episodes like that........