Delta and ASA close call in ATL

[FishandFly]

.... it was a low time FO,

According to etrip both the captain and fo were very, very senior.

 

[atl pilot]

The imposed work rules that the FAA put in place (last year when they voided our Green Book Contract on Labor Day), does not give any incentive for existing controllers to move within the system. If they move and they were in the old pay bands, when they move, they now transition into the the new, lower "B" scale payband.
Why would you move to a place like ATL, where there are no breaks and airplanes continuously all day (I just do not know where they all come from - it still amazes me everyday), when you could stay where you're at and not take a pay cut?
So, as a result, we are getting a lot of new CTI (atc college grads with no experience), and military controllers (with some, but not a lot of experince, most only did 4 years in the service). I will say they have youth on their side, but there's just no substitute for experience.
Up until about 4 years ago, we never saw anyone selected at ATL with less than level 4 ATC time under their belt (level 4's are like a MEM at minimum). So, you see our predictament. We are doing the best with what the FAA has left us with.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

According to etrip both the captain and fo were very, very senior.

Former ASAers with no etrip access are most curious...

 

[SkiFishFly]

The imposed work rules that the FAA put in place (last year when they voided our Green Book Contract on Labor Day), does not give any incentive for existing controllers to move within the system. If they move and they were in the old pay bands, when they move, they now transition into the the new, lower "B" scale payband.
Why would you move to a place like ATL, where there are no breaks and airplanes continuously all day (I just do not know where they all come from - it still amazes me everyday), when you could stay where you're at and not take a pay cut?
So, as a result, we are getting a lot of new CTI (atc college grads with no experience), and military controllers (with some, but not a lot of experince, most only did 4 years in the service). I will say they have youth on their side, but there's just no substitute for experience.
Up until about 4 years ago, we never saw anyone selected at ATL with less than level 4 ATC time under their belt (level 4's are like a MEM at minimum). So, you see our predictament. We are doing the best with what the FAA has left us with.

ATL Pilot,
Thank you for all your hard work. You guys do a great job there in ATL. Training the newbies has got to be giving you some (more) grey hairs. Getting them to properly position their mike and annunciate will go a long way towards helping us deaf former mil guys understand what they say.
I also appreciate your contributions to this thread - some good insight to help us all learn. The recommendation for filing NASA reports is one I had not thought about.
Is there a plan to build a taxiway similar to Victor loop on the south side?

 

[CRJCptn]

cp 13xxxx number, fo 11xxxx number (from prev employment, 16xxxx sen number)

 

[ultrarunner]

In 13 years at ASA I have seen the briefings get longer and longer..... and they take away from paying attention to the important stuff.....

Brief it when you get to the hold-short line. If ATC doesn't like it, tell 'em to fuk themselves and you'll call 'em when you're ready.

We're letting politicians degrade safety..don't let it happen!

 

[Eagle757shark]

I agree to an extent, briefings have become redundant, FAA induced, highly ignored matters for the CVR. However responsibility falls to the CA. It's his ship, his responsibility, hold the briefing off for less taxing times (and less taxiing times)!

At Airtran our inrange ACARS message with our gate information tells us to contact operations when on the ground. I have always thought this was inappropriate given the taxi environment especially in Atlanta. With ACARS at Airtran, the ground folks know when the aircraft is on the ground. If the gate information changes, send a ACARS message or pass the information along to ramp control. I do not want to take my attention off the taxi clearances that are given in Atlanta when you may cross two runways to get to the gate. SAFETY should always be number 1!

 

[atl pilot]

Guys (and Gals),
The fact that you all have a whole variety of other tasks that must be performed while taxiing in and out escapes ATC these days. After 9-11, our jumpseat (fam) privilledges were taken away by the FAA. The ability to ride and watch, to gain exposure to whats actually going on inside the planes we are working, was an extremely valuable tool. We have many, many new folks who have never, and will never, get the opportunity to ride up front and witness what y'all do (and the vast majority are Not pilots either). I think the exposure to this early in my career gave me at least some small advantage when trying to understand your needs, and in turn helped me to provide you better service.
Really sad how something like this has divided our ability to work as a productive team!

 

[Cpt Oveur]

According to etrip both the captain and fo were very, very senior.

FishandFly, sorry, you're wrong. The f/o was really low time. All you have to do is look at a seniority list to see that.

 

[goahead]

FishandFly, sorry, you're wrong. The f/o was really low time. All you have to do is look at a seniority list to see that.

Not that's it's important how long either of them have been here. But yes the fo used to do something else here in the airplane but was not a pilot.

 

[dooork]

How much experience do you need to be told to hold short of an active runway and then make it happen?