ATTENTION all JetBlue Pilots

[ualdriver]

I only pointed out that you (a healthy combination of all legacy airlines, except CAL, and hopefully soon AA) can't outsource 70, 76, 90 and 100 seat jets (even if you "restrict" management to 70 or 76 seats installed, which is a complete joke, because that just lets management use a first class which they wanted to do anyway) for lower than 190 rates and then say how its unfair that the 190 pays less than the 737.

1) restricting the amount of seats an RJ can hold is not a "complete joke." It is an extremely expensive negotiating item.

2) It's not that it's "unfair" (your words) that it pays less than a 737. It's a joke that your 100 seat E190 pays closer to RJ REGIONAL AIRLINE PILOT rates than MAINLINE NARROWBODY MAINLINE rates. That jet should be paid somewhere around $110-120/hr + overtime over 70, not whatever ridiculous rate you guys are flying it for. And in reality, it should pay around 200/hr + pension + good work rules.

As for your 9-11 concessions, if you really believe UAL was "the most exposed to LCC pressure" I honestly don't know what to tell you, other than please don't ever participate in any negotiation committee.

During bankruptcy reorganization, I saw and read a detailed powerpoint presentation shown by an airline hired analyst that illustrated, city pair by city pair, the influence of LCC competition in those markets, before and after. The presentation was openly available to anyone following the bankruptcy, and I followed it very closely. It was used in the bankruptcy proceedings.

Yields were totally trashed when LCC's entered the displayed markets. In particular, transcon yields, which were the bread and butter of airlines like American and United at the time, were seriously eroded when JetBlue started operations out of JFK and later out of IAD to west coast destinations. There was also an analysis of LCC exposure, by hub, and then in totality of the entire network. UAL's bar was the tallest of all the legacies.

At the time UAL was arguably the least exposed, not considering SWA

Not true. And how in the world can one not consider SWA as a LCC????? Their presence in Midway, and the addition of 737NG aircraft to their fleet seriously damaged us when they started longer haul flying out of MDW, particularly to the west coast.

, and since this is a "pilot pay at XYZ caused my pilot pay" assertion on your part, you can't very well include SWA.

Yes I can. SWA's total pilot compensation package was significantly less than UAL's in the late 90's and early 00's. Do you think SWA pilots left Southwest for UAL during that time period just because they didn't like the orange paint job?

Your revenue took a fatal blow after 9-11 and it wasn't JB's taking all the supersavers from NY to FL that did you in.

Both statements are true IMO as well. JB's north/south east coast traffic didn't hurt UAL as much as the transcon stuff. It did greatly hurt DAL and US Air however, but I'll let them argue that point with you. JetBlue killed transcon yields for UAL, however. 9/11 dealt a fatal blow to just about everyone and just accelerated the massive undercutting and damage the LCCs were doing already. 9/11 just made the ineveitable come sooner.

It couldn't have been SWA, because of their pilot pay, which as we all know determines everything, it wasn't AirTran by a long shot, or Sun Country, or Allegiant, or USA3000, or Virgin America, or anyone else except maybe Frontier, but then as now, they are a blip on the radar compared to UAL.

As I stated before, it was a combination of all you guys. Just off the top of my head, I remember JetBlue did a pretty good job on us (and AMR) in the transcon markets (IAD, JFK -> west coast), SWA was killing us pretty good out of MDW (halo effect) and the west coast and when they got the 737NG's a bit of transcon stuff out of MDW and BWI. Frontier was cutting us in DEN pretty good, and I think generally the north-south stuff out of IAD was hurting because of JetBlue and Valujet/Airtran, but we didn't have big N/S out of IAD at the time I don't think (I don't exactly remember). Now think about where UA has big markets and tell me that we didn't have significant LCC exposure again? Like I said before, a death by a 1000 cuts, and JetBlue had a nice, sharp knife.

And it wasn't just pilot pay. It was labor costs across the board. Pilot total compensation is just the biggest part of the pie. And since I'm on a predominantly pilot forum, that's what we discuss.

But the most important thing is you believe it.

It's not a matter of "believing it" as you try to rationalize away my conclusions by trying to convince everyone I'm just making this stuff up because I have an axe to grind with JetBlue guys. I examined the damage that was done, and I obviously don't want history to repeat itself. That's why airlines like Allegiant, Skybus, Virgin, and yes, JetBlue concern me. They are non-union carriers that could easily help undo any gains union pilots hope to make in the next few years.

And for cabotage, you have far more to fear from the "Lufthansas of the world" than you do the "Air Mongolias of the world" .................1 if by land, 2 if by sea and 3 if by air, and the fun starts real soon.

"On cabotage:," then covers our viewpoints. No sense rehashing.


Cabotage is of no concern to the JetBlue pilot, however, as you have no input to influence political events, anyway. Perhaps a JetBlue PAC is in order, whether your union succeeds or not? Again, I won't hold my breath and expect little support on important Airline Pilot issues such as cabotage from the JetBlue's, Virgin's, Allegiant's, etc., of the world.

But tell us more about this contractual overlook thing that "might be corrected" regarding the outsourcing of the E170. That would be a refreshing step in the right direction.

The E170 was not intended to be one of the aircraft that could be outsourced as it was too heavy- only the CRJ700 as the E170 was considered by the UAL pilot group to be an entirely different class of aircraft and not a RJ. Beyond that, call a UAL buddy to explain it to you as I'm not airing our dirty laundry on a public forum.

 

[flygirlqt]

Nice try.... what you did was post a document that the BOD voted on. Simply put the direct representation of the membership voted on Praters pay.

You are really incredible. I previously posted a comment that Prater was being paid $7500 for a living allowance You say "Prove it" and I did with the actual document. Now that isn’t good enough? Does your flimsy answer change the basic premise of my original point that Prater’s living allowance is more than the yearly salary of most likely 75% of the membership?

Do you see a problem with in the least your answer let alone the outrageousness of the dollar amount being paid to Mr. Taking it back?

So any efforts to reneg on the Presidents salary are going to have to justify nullifying representational democracy.

That's the point that you ALPOphiles can’t get through your head. Nothing should be reneged. Prater should on his own have the common sense and decency to review all of ALPA's pay structure and have an honest look from the memberships perspective of the message it delivers.

The money being paid and the results being delivered are not equal. It’s about commitment and responsibility to the membership. Not the other way around that you preach endlessly.

Girl, you can keep trying all you want...

Like the above example, it will only be lost on the ALPOphiles. I'll ask you again REZ, what if ALPA dues became voluntary dues only and had to rely on income without threat of termination? Do you things would change if the National actually had to work towards results to earn their dues income? Let alone trust?

Not trying to preach.. all I have done was simply invite you to take responsibility for yourself. Something you seem adamant in rejecting.. all your own choice of course...

I know, the memberships fault. You are like a recorded ATIS broadcast that repeats constantly.

I find it quite hypocritical of the membership. They won't vote or communicate but yet they demand the leadership listen to them. Explain that logic. and while your at it answer a question that no one has: What responsiblities does the membership have?

Like the age 65 poll for example? Again here you go insinuating about being the members fault. I'll tell you one responsibility National has is to earn their money rather than simply taking it. I blame the leadership for not taking responsibility for effective, honest representation.

You can go with the flow all you want but at the end of the day it is your pay, your work rules, your benefits, your 401k. You want the ALPA leadership to do something different, but you have not the skillset to offer pragmatic solutions.

We are paying dearly for them to come up with solutions. Not to sit around making hundreds of thousands more than their constituents. Besides, if the solutions don’t pass the political smell test on the lec or mec level, they die.

But I’ll play..do I dare say that it is long overdue for a nationwide shutdown? Threat of one? Prater is making the big buck as a union leader he needs to push it to the edge. The lead from the NY transit strike would be a good one but I doubt National has the guts to take a chance. The problem is they have such a good deal it is not in their interests to rock the boat or risk their lofty, well paid positions.

You want faith restored in the membership ? Recognize that the National officers are not delivering to the membership. Your constant mantra of responsibility is also a two way street.

Although REZ, my opinion is ALPA has burned to many people to many times. The age 65 issue was the straw that will break the camels back of, in the least members faith. The sooner ALPA goes away the better is my feeling at this point.

What would it take for the Presidents salary to be acceptable? If your income was 2x or 3x? Most would say yes... If my income tripled then the Prez's salary would be justified.

All I know that given the pain the membership has suffered, watching not only praters salary but the trip loss disaster just at CAL I am tired seeing where my money goes. Not to mention the controversy surround the CAL EVP.

Prater also made a campaign commitment to not take one dollar more than his CAL salary. We saw how far that promise went.

So you have a choice:

1. Work to reduce the Prez's salary... this would take allot of effort and success isn't likely. However, if you were successfull, were would your pay be after your success?

Success isn’t likely..you nailed it. The real issue is that you just won’t admit why. It is because ALPA is a political machine and those that go against the grain get chopped off at the kneecaps and left behind.

My pay would be the same because ALPA has been worthless in changing it. See REZ, you answered your own question and mine. My dues right now are just going down the drain.

2. Work to increase your own pay.

Which seems to be the path of least resistence and shorter time?

It still doesn’t justify the insulting National officers salaries.

I am in full control of what I can control.What I cannot control is others attitudes. Attitudes like yours:

That's right. Because you only want to control fellow ALPOphiles and tell them all is well with your precious organization. That ALPA can do not wrong. In reality this is not unlike the way many cult leaders act and try to crush and bend the will of their followers. They do not like thinking and criticism contrary to the cult.

you refuse to particapte, educate, self govern and provide critical thought. Instead of fixing you want to reject. After you reject..then what?

If it makes you feel better to continue to beat this non participation drum go I can not stop you. You don’t know me or what I do. I have already stated before to you have participate greatly in the process and nothing changes. You conveniently ignore that.

I understand why you do that because it makes your arguments invalid. In reality it makes your only argument trying to hide the true problems with ALPA invalid

Do you need someone to ask, beg, plead and coddle you into partication of your own career? You are complaining that your house is dirty. Well, get a mop and duster and get to work... it is your house. Why should I listen to you complain about your filth in your house. My house is clean. My expectations are real.

Here we ago again....lecture time. But your example is interesting because the ALPA house is dirty. It is dirty with shame from deceit, destruction of confidence, vacillating, lack of clear effective in your face representation. ALPA has turned into a bloated and paralyzed organization that is, in essance nothing more than a money machine.

You have not challenged the status quo one bit.

No REZ, ALPA hasn’t changed nor challenged the status quo because they don’t have to . Because at the end of the day, the ALPA money machine still gets their cut regardless of their performance or product delivered to the membership as a whole.

I don't doubt your concerns. If you think ALPA sucks, then ALPA sucks.. fine... then offer workable solutions. The problem is you cannot. For if you do that would require an acknowledgment of responsibility. Something you refuse to do.

Lecture suit is already on REZ. See the above comments here and in the past I have made to you about my participation. Personally, I believe ALPA is truly beyond repair at this point. They have made far to many mistakes, alienated way to many pilots and they have shown that if anything, the political structure precludes honest and effective change from occurring. To many nests are feathered financially in Herndon.

The blame game is...simply easier....

This coming from you? Unbelievable since of all people on this board this is the ultimate in hypocrisy.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

You are really incredible. I previously posted a comment that Prater was being paid $7500 for a living allowance You say "Prove it" and I did with the actual document. Now that isn’t good enough? Does your flimsy answer change the basic premise of my original point that Prater’s living allowance is more than the yearly salary of most likely 75% of the membership?

And the Prez works 2x as much as the average member. In addition, does the average member have the skillset to lead a political organization. Can you effectively testify in front of congress?

Keep in mind, being the ALPA Prez isn't like being an airline pilot....

Also, DC is very expensive to live.... and that $7500 expenses...is taxed. The ALPA Prez must pay taxes on that 7500 just as if it were income...

Do you see a problem with in the least your answer let alone the outrageousness of the dollar amount being paid to Mr. Taking it back?

The membership approved it!!! This is what you don't get. Pilots were screaming at DW's salary... they wanted him to take big cuts.. at the 2006 BOD was the time to do it....

When the Prez compensation came up..there were no changes... this is was approved by all of the LEC reps.... you know the ones that were elected by 30% of pilots like you.

When I went to the 2004 BOD I asked my pilots... What are the issues.. how shall I represent... I got no reply...

That's the point that you ALPOphiles can’t get through your head. Nothing should be reneged. Prater should on his own have the common sense and decency to review all of ALPA's pay structure and have an honest look from the memberships perspective of the message it delivers.

Coulda woulda shoulda... as I just said.. you had your chance to fix Prez compensation at the 2006 BOD.. but you failed.

The money being paid and the results being delivered are not equal. It’s about commitment and responsibility to the membership. Not the other way around that you preach endlessly.

RIIIIIIIIGht..... the leadership should be commited but you refuse to be...

Like the above example, it will only be lost on the ALPOphiles. I'll ask you again REZ, what if ALPA dues became voluntary dues only and had to rely on income without threat of termination? Do you things would change if the National actually had to work towards results to earn their dues income? Let alone trust?

If dues became voluntary, just like taxes, then the organization would collapse. Just like our government would.

All you are doing is proving the pure democracy doesn't work. The represenational democracy is needed. Here is the problem... you can't be trusted as a member to particapte or be responsible..

I know, the memberships fault. You are like a recorded ATIS broadcast that repeats constantly.

and you refuse to acknowledge IMC conditions as you try and fly VMC.

Like the age 65 poll for example? Again here you go insinuating about being the members fault. I'll tell you one responsibility National has is to earn their money rather than simply taking it. I blame the leadership for not taking responsibility for effective, honest representation.

No... you just got beat politically. The APAAD guys got thier game on.... you did nothing...

We are paying dearly for them to come up with solutions. Not to sit around making hundreds of thousands more than their constituents. Besides, if the solutions don’t pass the political smell test on the lec or mec level, they die.

Here is a major flaw in your thinking. First it is not 100,000s. it is in your mind to create sensationalism.

And you are right.. the solution do need to pass the political smell test. That is how political democracy works. You seem to think ALPA is suppose to be your customized career agent.

But I’ll play..do I dare say that it is long overdue for a nationwide shutdown? Threat of one? Prater is making the big buck as a union leader he needs to push it to the edge. The lead from the NY transit strike would be a good one but I doubt National has the guts to take a chance. The problem is they have such a good deal it is not in their interests to rock the boat or risk their lofty, well paid positions.

All you are doing is showing your amatuer hour status. National Strikes, pay rates and sen. lists... are "crewroom experts" anecdoctal excuses for ALPA's failure. Since you are calling for it, I take it you didnot read Fly the Line, where a National Strike was deemed unworkable.

You want faith restored in the membership ? Recognize that the National officers are not delivering to the membership. Your constant mantra of responsibility is also a two way street.

ahhhh so you recognize responsiblity.... let's go with that.... what responsibilites do you have as a member.

As I've said before.. the leadership has failures, and there a few of us that can critically discuss those failures.... But I am not going to do it until the membership accepts thier failures, for only discussing the leadership failures..the membership will latch on ignore thier own responsibilities..

Although REZ, my opinion is ALPA has burned to many people to many times. The age 65 issue was the straw that will break the camels back of, in the least members faith. The sooner ALPA goes away the better is my feeling at this point.

A complex situation no doubt... it is a combination of the memberships own misaligned expectations, poor particaption and poor leadership..

But your last sentence.. ALPA goes away... then what? You save 2% and all is better?

All I know that given the pain the membership has suffered, watching not only praters salary but the trip loss disaster just at CAL I am tired seeing where my money goes. Not to mention the controversy surround the CAL EVP.

We've discussed the Prez salary...
I agree with you on the FLP scandal at CAL
I don't know the CAL EVP controversy... PM me..

Prater also made a campaign commitment to not take one dollar more than his CAL salary. We saw how far that promise went.

I recall this coming up during the election... I went to Praters website.. what I read was that he would accept the pay the BOD agreed on.

Also, how can he change his pay without BOD approval. When I was a status rep our MEC Chair wanted to lower his pay. The Council said no, because we thought it was fair and wanted to attract a quality successor.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Continued...

Success isn’t likely..you nailed it. The real issue is that you just won’t admit why. It is because ALPA is a political machine and those that go against the grain get chopped off at the kneecaps and left behind.

Or ALPA is a political machine and the membership is not political and very aloof... you can see the disconnect.

It still doesn’t justify the insulting National officers salaries.

Please post the 1VP, S/T and Finance salaries and compare them to pilots at the seniority. Then compare days off.

Your hate is based on false information.

That's right. Because you only want to control fellow ALPOphiles and tell them all is well with your precious organization. That ALPA can do not wrong. In reality this is not unlike the way many cult leaders act and try to crush and bend the will of their followers. They do not like thinking and criticism contrary to the cult.

Wow... that is Jim Jones like....

Again... ALPA has big problems...but I don't think someone like you as the ability to help...right now...

ALPA leaders don't try and crush the will of the membership.. but they don't waste time on grandiose schemes like National Sen List, Pay and Strikes.. it is simply a waste of time, until someone can come up with a real pragmatic end game.

If it makes you feel better to continue to beat this non participation drum go I can not stop you. You don’t know me or what I do. I have already stated before to you have participate greatly in the process and nothing changes. You conveniently ignore that.

particapte greatly? How about this:

LEC meeting attendance 5%
LEC voter particaption rates 30%
Age 60 survey 39%

Can you justify these rates?

I understand why you do that because it makes your arguments invalid. In reality it makes your only argument trying to hide the true problems with ALPA invalid

We can't solve the problems until you stop with your rage, hate and misinformation. How can we work the issues when you want unworkable ideas like a National Strike. Some much time is spent explaining why this doesn't work when we should be working on progressive results...

No REZ, ALPA hasn’t changed nor challenged the status quo because they don’t have to . Because at the end of the day, the ALPA money machine still gets their cut regardless of their performance or product delivered to the membership as a whole.

Is 5% LEC meeting partiaption rate good or bad? Acceptable?

Lecture suit is already on REZ. See the above comments here and in the past I have made to you about my participation. Personally, I believe ALPA is truly beyond repair at this point. They have made far to many mistakes, alienated way to many pilots and they have shown that if anything, the political structure precludes honest and effective change from occurring. To many nests are feathered financially in Herndon.

On May 17th, 2007 there was a Air Line Labor rally in Wash DC. If we were to do a National Strike, this was the testing ground for particaption. Not only could we shut down the airlines with pilots, but we could have shut it all down with all labor groups.

100 Air Line Pilots showed up. And as I looked around they were the same ol suspects.. the same ol inbreed, featherbedded ALPA reps.

There were no grassroots pilots there... no regular membership... The time came for mouths like you to put up or shut up. And you couldn't do it. It was just too much to ask ALPA pilots to give up three hours of thier day.

This coming from you? Unbelievable since of all people on this board this is the ultimate in hypocrisy.

So only 100 pilots showed up and they were all national officers, LEC reps and committee chairmen.

Why not the membership? Did they know about it? Yes, they did.. information was sent out. Did the membership refuse to read it? if so... is that ALPA nat'l fault?

Why did not the membership particapte?

So after the rally, National sits around and says.. how much leverage do we have based on the turn out.... not much. We can't count on the membership.

But you're pissed off.... and you wouldn't come to that rally cause the national officers are fat on salary.. etc...

So what to do? What comes first? Chicken or the egg?

 

[SNOWBUM]

thanks to Rez, Flyg,ual and iron for keeping this thread on top

now back on track once more


ALL JetBlue Pilots should register with JBPA at www.jetbluepilots.org

JBPA is the JetBlue PilotS Association

JBPA is in the process on getting certified as the JetBlue Pilots bargaining body.
we need a union and we need it now.

Please register ,even if you are on the fence or don't think we need to organize by registering you can stay informed and participate on the debate, get the pulse and the news of what is going on

www.jetbluepilots.org

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Snowbum-

I empathize with your efforts.... and apologize for sidetracking... then again... what is being debated is really air line pilot career issues... not exclusive to ALPA.

You'll have the same issues... even more hard core b/c many pilots got that sweet blue juice going down and fear your efforts will muck everything up...

Recall the American Revolution was not wildly popular.. many were loyalist and/or apathetic stating revolutionaries like Washington, Jefferson and Adams as radical. Funny... they wanted the same things as us... self government, self reliance and representation....

Keep up the good work.. I've sent money.

 

[ualdriver]

thanks to Rez, Flyg,ual and iron for keeping this thread on top

now back on track once more


ALL JetBlue Pilots should register with JBPA at www.jetbluepilots.org

JBPA is the JetBlue PilotS Association

JBPA is in the process on getting certified as the JetBlue Pilots bargaining body.
we need a union and we need it now.

Please register ,even if you are on the fence or don't think we need to organize by registering you can stay informed and participate on the debate, get the pulse and the news of what is going on

www.jetbluepilots.org

He-he. Yeah.........ummm........no problem.........I think.......

Hey IronCity, how much time and or $$ do you plan on contributing to the JBPA?

 

[IronCityBlue]

He-he. Yeah.........ummm........no problem.........I think.......

Hey IronCity, how much time and or $$ do you plan on contributing to the JBPA?

They asked for 10 bucks (for initial mailing expenses, etc) from everyone and I sent in 100. Start the assessment today, I'd have no problem paying 2 or 3% plus several more hundred in seed money. As for time, I never thought of myself as a politico of any sort, so running for any kind of office doesn't suit me and I don't think I could stomach signing any kind of company confidentality agreement, so that rules out most positions anyway. But if there was some way I could help out in any meaningful way, I absolutely would.

And restricting seats on an RJ is not an extremely expensive negotiating item. Maybe if you restricted an RJ to 3 seats, but 70 seats in what is really a 76 or 90 seater is not a restriction, its permission to install a first class and/or premium coach, which management wants to do anyway. Your arguement is like a football defence stoping 2 out of 3 plays and celebrating during the entire drive by the opposing team's offence as they get scored upon at the end. So what if you got 3 sacks if they scored on you? Severe restrictions on an RJ would be expensive, but you don't have those. You just gave management permission to exercise their business plan. They gave you free and meaningless "restrictions" that were in line with their plan all along.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

ICB-

Don't forget committee work... communications, membership, etc.... lots to do...

 

[Bavarian Chef]

They asked for 10 bucks (for initial mailing expenses, etc) from everyone and I sent in 100.

Just how did they ask for money? I was never solicited.

Don't tell me he used "bluewhiners.com". Is it still being run by the dude that left JB to go back to United? Gee, that makes sense btw.

 

[elag777]

UALdriver Quote....

2) It's not that it's "unfair" (your words) that it pays less than a 737. It's a joke that your 100 seat E190 pays closer to RJ REGIONAL AIRLINE PILOT rates than MAINLINE NARROWBODY MAINLINE rates. That jet should be paid somewhere around $110-120/hr + overtime over 70, not whatever ridiculous rate you guys are flying it for. And in reality, it should pay around 200/hr + pension + good work rules.

You make such a good point "they" (B6) are doing the flying you guys are not, short but very simple to understand even for you.

 

[SNOWBUM]

Just how did they ask for money? I was never solicited.

Don't tell me he used "bluewhiners.com". Is it still being run by the dude that left JB to go back to United? Gee, that makes sense btw.

chef,when you register and are sent the email confirming your registration you need to activate your account by clicking on the emailed link.
then you can go on the site and donate there. If you can't find the link send a pm to Mike and he will send you the link. No solicitation on Bluewhiners.com, just mindless chat there

 

[Longhorn]

btt..

 

[IronCityBlue]

ICB-

Don't forget committee work... communications, membership, etc.... lots to do...

Of course. If JBPA gets ratified and for whatever reason wants to mine some talent of mine I have yet to realize I have :erm: I'll be more than glad to help out. Actually I know there will likely be many things pilots can do to help, including being trained to serve on various committees and such. But first things first, gotta get out that vote.

 

[IronCityBlue]

Just how did they ask for money? I was never solicited.

Don't tell me he used "bluewhiners.com". Is it still being run by the dude that left JB to go back to United? Gee, that makes sense btw.

I don't remember howI heard about the request for funds. It may have been the "bluewhiners" :laugh: site, or one of the conference calls, or maybe I saw it on the jetbluebluepilots.org site. Anyway at the time Mike was using a Florida address and was working on a NY account which I think is up and running now but I'm not 100% sure on that. If you are interested check out the union site. I'm sure any donation of any size would be of help and greatly appreciated.

And yes I think BP is still run by the guy who is now back at UAL. The JBPA site is more civil and factual, but it doesn't have the years of inertia the BP site has yet. Its probably safe to say that while not everyone who uses BP uses the JBPA site, everyone who uses the JBPA site uses BP as well. You have to use your name so I guess that turns some folks off, but overall its much more civil.

Anyway if you haven't heard much about the JBPA as an official movement, that's because its just now in the initial stages of getting guys registered and getting the general word out. Issues like the constitution and bylaws, etc should be coming up in January with a card drive I would *guess* sometime towards the end of the first quarter or so, with a much larger information campaign before that happens of course.

 

[flygirlqt]

As usual REZ it is all our fault.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

As usual REZ it is all our fault.

No... and again... I'll hit the highlights.

It is a shared responsibility... and quite hypocritical to demand accountability without doing so yourself.

• Manage your expectations...

• Get educated.

• Get involved.

Only then can you call out the leadership and effect positive change...

Good luck... we all counting on all of us....





oops almost forgot...

ALL JetBlue Pilots should register with JBPA at www.jetbluepilots.org

JBPA is the JetBlue PilotS Association

JBPA is in the process on getting certified as the JetBlue Pilots bargaining body.
we need a union and we need it now.

Please register ,even if you are on the fence or don't think we need to organize by registering you can stay informed and participate on the debate, get the pulse and the news of what is going on

www.jetbluepilots.org

 

[flygirlqt]

No... and again... I'll hit the highlights.

It is a shared responsibility... and quite hypocritical to demand accountability without doing so yourself.

• Manage your expectations...

• Get educated.

• Get involved.

Only then can you call out the leadership and effect positive change...

Good luck... we all counting on all of us....





oops almost forgot...

ALL JetBlue Pilots should register with JBPA at www.jetbluepilots.org

JBPA is the JetBlue PilotS Association

JBPA is in the process on getting certified as the JetBlue Pilots bargaining body.
we need a union and we need it now.

Please register ,even if you are on the fence or don't think we need to organize by registering you can stay informed and participate on the debate, get the pulse and the news of what is going on

www.jetbluepilots.org

You are right REZ, it is all our fault. The status quo has been working beautifully.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

You are right REZ, it is all our fault. The status quo has been working beautifully.

sarcasm noted...

an apathetic membership for the past 75 years.. hasn't worked...

what do you suggest....?

 

[flygirlqt]

sarcasm noted...

an apathetic membership for the past 75 years.. hasn't worked...

what do you suggest....?

Relax REZ, we all know it is all our fault. Your mantra has finally sunk in.

P.S. Leadership starts at the top. Especially expensive leadership.