AGE 65 now LAW!!!

[SSDD]

So the FAA is now the good guys? They all of a sudden have the wisdom and the willingness to make rules that make this industry safer? You had a good thing going there until the last paragraph.

 

[whymeworry?]

Past in three days with no votes against. My ? is where all the oppostion came from the last few years and/or who just caved when it was time to vote.

It wasn't actually voted on. The bill was introduced in a session where if nobody objects it passes. Why do you think it passed unanimously? Most congressmen and senators were all out x-mas shopping.

Seriously, though. It was never voted on. Think about this the next time any issue affecting us goes to congress.

 

[Hamburger]

ALPA surveyed its members: a minority particapted. A majority of the minority wanted the change.

Not the results of the polls I read. PRAETOR wanted it and conducted a sham "blue ribbon" push poll that didn't even ask the question:
"Do you want alpa to support or oppose the change?"

 

[Hamburger]

I've been reading your recent posts about your upgrade being delayed for 5 years. The problem with your conclusion is it assumes ZERO growth. If you had ZERO growth with age 60 in place you wouldn't be upgrading anytime soon either. The main reason anybody has upgraded in the last 50 years is growth, not forced age discrimination.

If you honestly think attrition plays no part in career advancement regardless of growth, you are a fool.
ZERO Growth and 500 pilots retiring means they need to hire 500 more to replace them. It is very simple math.
If every pilot who's retired in the last 10 years were still on the property, you think you'd have a job?

 

[Hamburger]

I just retired in September, am in great health, was a check airman and miss the cockpit. I look forward to coming back as a First Officer flying with many of the Captains that I helped train. This way I won't be taking an upgrade or seniority in any way from anyone.
I applaud the new ruling.

Try saying that to the face of the Regional guy sitting in the Pool.

 

[maximizer]

this news didn't even make the drudge report...or any other place

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Fact is that most guys and gals would love to retire at 60. But, when many do the math, they will stay until 65. With the money that is to be made in each of our final five years. Why would one not stick it out where you are going to make the best pay and have the best trips possible. It would be stupid for one to quit. If there was really a reason to leave early we would have tons leaving at 55 up to yesterday. It sucks, but it is now the standard.
What we all need to do is stop looking at this from a personal perspective, and look at it as a group. The way we are all dealing with this is issue is the same way that we pilots deal with all issues. How is it good for ME, not WE. That is why there is no true effectiveness of the unions these days. No one is looking out for the gander, just each goose.
Lots of stated that because of this many like myself will not upgrade for five extra years. This is true, lets get unified on how we will make this better for everyone. Not just me or you. But for the gander. Not all will be happy, but we need to learn to keep out disagreements between us, and not air the dirty laundry where the enemy (management) can see it and learn what out weaknesses are. We never see them doing that, so that we can gain from it, do we?

 

[Flopgut]

I doubt that many of those who support this discrimination so passionately today will be proud to admit to their grandchildren in 2087 that they ardently supported age discrimination in 2007.

Your thesis is a real stretch. Matter of fact it's bullsh!t.

A far better comparison to the feelings surrounding this issue is the sentiment held toward replacement workers. Traditional advancement will halt and instead a small, unduly privleged group will reap a benefit they had NO claim to.

Seniority seized outside the collective bargaining process in a union environment. No one will ever be ashamed of standing against seniority aggression.

 

[Soulfly]

Would someone explain how AGE 65 is not age discrimination.
If AGE 65 supporters want some credibilty then you have to call a spade a spade.
AGE 65 is just as much age discrimination as 60 or 62 or 68.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Would someone explain how AGE 65 is not age discrimination.
If AGE 65 supporters want some credibilty then you have to call a spade a spade.
AGE 65 is just as much age discrimination as 60 or 62 or 68.

It is, but you are less likely to win a lawsuit now that it is 65. With it being 65, you will not have to pay a higher tax rate to withdraw from you retirement accts. 65 is where the playing field is level with the rest of America. This makes the case that much harder to win. Like many issues with pilots the public could care less and we will gain no-ones sympathy complaining about it. Where is my 100 round trip ticket?????