AGE 65 now LAW!!!

[twepilot]

to bad so sad for DM.

RV

 

[newnan]

to bad so sad for DM.

RV

He wanted to use sick and vacation time to stay on the payroll until (and if) the 65 rule happened.

Look on the bright side, at least 5 more years of the harmonica player!

 

[Flopgut]

It's over. The age of our retirement is now 65.

Can you assure us of that? The APAAD is not going for age 70 and will not support lawsuits and challenges for those already retired?

 

[YourPilotFriend]

This will ultimately result in one more planside wheelchair needed....for the captain!

 

[CitationUltra]

So the FAA is not required for the implementation of the new age? A pilot who's 60th birthday is tomorrow can continue to fly for 5 more years?

The FAA has been screwing around with this for four years, doing nothing. Congress got tired of the discriminatory and arbitrariness of the regulation and changed it. Period.

 

[CitationUltra]

Nope. Not true. President will sign HR 4343 on Friday, December 14th.

Andy,

It wasn't passed in three days. APAAD has been working for this legislation for 10 years. Legislation has been introduced many times over many years. This year it was introduced as HB 2881 in the House and S 65 in the Senate. 314 cosponsors were signed on in in the House and 51 cosponsors signed on in the Senate. The stand alone bills never got out of committee. However, the language was included in the FAA Reauthorization Bill and the Senate Transportation Bill. HR 4343 is the culmination of over 10 years of effort by a multitude of pilots to end a rule that was originally imposed for economic not safety reasons.

The three day movement of this issue through the House and Senate to the President was simply the most expeditious procedural method to achieve a desired result that has taken over ten years of concerted effort by thousands of pilots.

The White House announced it earlier this evening.

 

[vtech]

I stand corrected. The President has signed HR 4343. It is now law.

 

[Charlie Brown]

BUCK FUSH!!!!!!!!!

and all you other pieces of feces who supported this. I, along with my plenty of others appreciate getting effed out of a lot of money. :angryfire

 

[Lear70]

I believe any law signed goes into effect 30 days from date of signing...

Could be wrong, my memory of civics is a bit weak on the implementation side, I'm sure someone will correct me.

From Yahoo news:

Press ReleaseSource: White House Press Office

Statement by the Press Secretary



Thursday December 13, 9:33 pm ET


WASHINGTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--

On Thursday, December 13, 2007, the President signed into law:

H.R. 4343, the “Fair Treatment for Experienced Pilots Act,” which raises the mandatory retirement age from 60 years to 65 years for pilots serving on commercial passenger flights within the United States.

 

[Cottonmouth]

Unreal. I believe a pilot who's between the age of 60-65 should be limited to 8 hours of duty per day. That is a regular work day for an individual in the United States. Minimum flight pay should also be no less than 90 hours per month (what most carriers are flying now).

Will pilot groups fight for the above rules or will we bend over and continue to be waterboarded up the rear?

 

[Flyby1206]

I am guessing this Age 60 bill is attached to some more important and visible motions (like education for kids and feeding the homeless, etc) hence the unanimous and speedy passage through.

 

[aircowboy]

Boy.... this democracy thing sucks.... let's go back to the way it was....

Democracy is about Majority rules.......not a minority group of self serving greedy pricks.

 

[5ontheglide]

The price of all of our medicals just went way up to cover the cost of liability insurance for doctors signing off 64 year olds to fly a couple hundred people around on min rest and late nights.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Unreal. I believe a pilot who's between the age of 60-65 should be limited to 8 hours of duty per day. That is a regular work day for an individual in the United States. Minimum flight pay should also be no less than 90 hours per month (what most carriers are flying now).

Will pilot groups fight for the above rules or will we bend over and continue to be waterboarded up the rear?

Hell no!! If you want to work past 60 you have to work the same hours as the rest of us. they deserve ZERO special treatment.

Instead I want an increase in FO wages for the damage this is causing to the lower seniority people.

 

[ATRCA]

FO pay will have to go up. Additionally, I will roll over on A funds and other retirement bennies to get it. Contract negotiations will be a bit different from here on out. Young guys will vote for cash and the geezers will try to sweeten the retirement packages.

I will try to secure a retirement from outside the industry and will happily trade the companies plan for up front cash. Others will do the same I'm sure.

Company negotiators will pander to the bottom of the list and I would guess the pay scales will be bottom loaded to get contracts ratified. I'm in!!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Democracy is about Majority rules.......not a minority group of self serving greedy pricks.

Sorry... that is not how democracy in our republic works...

A small clique of organized and unorganized pilots basically beat out the apathetic majority.

APAAD formed a small organized group and politiked congress.

ALPA surveyed its members: a minority particapted. A majority of the minority wanted the change.


The rest, the majority, sat on the uncollective asses and posted on message boards inder moniker names and showed.....no one.....anything....

Now, the do-nothing gang is calling for massive changes at ALPA.... funny stuff..

 

[stonewall]

FO pay will have to go up. Additionally, I will roll over on A funds and other retirement bennies to get it. Contract negotiations will be a bit different from here on out. Young guys will vote for cash and the geezers will try to sweeten the retirement packages.

I will try to secure a retirement from outside the industry and will happily trade the companies plan for up front cash. Others will do the same I'm sure.

Company negotiators will pander to the bottom of the list and I would guess the pay scales will be bottom loaded to get contracts ratified. I'm in!!

My bro and I discussed this same thing today. I'm not going to say anything knee-jerk like I usually do, but I'm leaning towards your thinking. We're both in our early 30's at FDX and ready to do what you just said. We'll roll on the A fund to get a better B fund and higher F/O rates. My pension concerns are not as great if I have to fly to 65.

 

[stonewall]

Sorry... that is not how democracy in our republic works...

A small clique of organized and unorganized pilots basically beat out the apathetic majority.

APAAD formed a small organized group and politiked congress.

ALPA surveyed its members: a minority particapted. A majority of the minority wanted the change.


The rest, the majority, sat on the uncollective asses and posted on message boards inder moniker names and showed.....no one.....anything....

Now, the do-nothing gang is calling for massive changes at ALPA.... funny stuff..

Well said.

 

[ATRCA]

Sorry... that is not how democracy in our republic works...

A small clique of organized and unorganized pilots basically beat out the apathetic majority.

APAAD formed a small organized group and politiked congress.

ALPA surveyed its members: a minority particapted. A majority of the minority wanted the change.


The rest, the majority, sat on the uncollective asses and posted on message boards inder moniker names and showed.....no one.....anything....

Now, the do-nothing gang is calling for massive changes at ALPA.... funny stuff..

Funny as it may be, there will be changes forthcoming at ALPA. I have always been "involved" but I will be more involved now and a great deal of that effort will be to reduce my support for ALPA and remove those currently in office. There will be a backlash. It may take time but it will happen. Tom. I will go to work without my ALPA pin and lanyard........for the first time in 8 yrs.

 

[maximizer]

I will go to work without my ALPA pin and lanyard........for the first time in 8 yrs.

....BFD