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December 7, 2007

American pilots drop a little bombshell

At the negotiating table Thursday, the union representing American Airlines pilots made a proposal that gets to the heart of more than 20 years of hard feelings between its pilots and American -- and for that matter, for many pilots at big carriers.

The Allied Pilots Association proposal:

All flying performed by or on behalf of the Company or an Affiliate shall be performed by pilots on the American Airlines Seniority List in accordance with the terms and conditions of this agreement.

American Airlines quickly put out a response, in the tsk-tsk style that it uses on its public negotiations website, www.aanegotiations.com:

AA negotiators raised serious concerns about the impact of such a proposal and believe our efforts should be focused on helping American be competitive in all areas of its business.
What that means is that only American Airlines pilots will do its flying, whether it's 37-seat regional jets or 500-seat jumbo jets.

Very reluctantly, the APA back in the 1980s agreed to let American contract with regional carriers to provide the short-haul flights into its hubs. But that has grown over the years to long-distance flights and not just into hubs, and the American union has never liked it, even as it had to back down because all of American's major competitors were benefitting from out-sourced flying.

Complicating this question now is American's Nov. 28 proposal to spin off its separate American Eagle unit that does most commuter feed for American.

The union in the past has proposed that its members do all flying, with the proviso that the commuter pilots would be paid lower rates than those who fly bigger airplanes. But the average American pilot gets benefits and such that also raise the employee costs in addition to the hourly pay rate, so American hasn't shown any interest.

This will get interesting.

Posted by Terry Maxon at 11:13 AM | Permalink | Comments | TrackBacks (0)
 
I have heard several times that when regional jets were first coming into service, mainline pilots said "No" when asked to fly them. Is this true?
It looks like APA pilots want to stop the erosion of RJ service on mainline flying. What do you think of this AAFlyer? I am glad to see this sort of proposal coming out..
 
o sweet mother of god let this grow and flurish. let it catch on with all airlines. do you guys know how much job security we could gain if flying for one airline was done by one list.


December 7, 2007

American pilots drop a little bombshell

At the negotiating table Thursday, the union representing American Airlines pilots made a proposal that gets to the heart of more than 20 years of hard feelings between its pilots and American -- and for that matter, for many pilots at big carriers.

The Allied Pilots Association proposal:

All flying performed by or on behalf of the Company or an Affiliate shall be performed by pilots on the American Airlines Seniority List in accordance with the terms and conditions of this agreement.

American Airlines quickly put out a response, in the tsk-tsk style that it uses on its public negotiations website, www.aanegotiations.com:

AA negotiators raised serious concerns about the impact of such a proposal and believe our efforts should be focused on helping American be competitive in all areas of its business.
What that means is that only American Airlines pilots will do its flying, whether it's 37-seat regional jets or 500-seat jumbo jets.

Very reluctantly, the APA back in the 1980s agreed to let American contract with regional carriers to provide the short-haul flights into its hubs. But that has grown over the years to long-distance flights and not just into hubs, and the American union has never liked it, even as it had to back down because all of American's major competitors were benefitting from out-sourced flying.

Complicating this question now is American's Nov. 28 proposal to spin off its separate American Eagle unit that does most commuter feed for American.

The union in the past has proposed that its members do all flying, with the proviso that the commuter pilots would be paid lower rates than those who fly bigger airplanes. But the average American pilot gets benefits and such that also raise the employee costs in addition to the hourly pay rate, so American hasn't shown any interest.

This will get interesting.

Posted by Terry Maxon at 11:13 AM | Permalink | Comments | TrackBacks (0)
 
Its about time..........well done APA
 
I have heard several times that when regional jets were first coming into service, mainline pilots said "No" when asked to fly them. Is this true?
It looks like APA pilots want to stop the erosion of RJ service on mainline flying. What do you think of this AAFlyer? I am glad to see this sort of proposal coming out..

They wanted the same pay rate as the next larger aircraft such as a DC9 or Fokker 100, nothing less. Neither side ever moved and slowly management found the backdoor of subcontracting the small jet flying. Few in number at the time, it was heavily limited by strong scope in many cases, such as United's which had requirements to grow the mainline fleet numbers if RJs were added. They thought scope was the answer. When the bankruptcy-survival era kicked in scope protectection was laughed at in most cases.

And here we are today, creaming in our pants to fly a CRJ-900. Welcome.
 
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Its about time..........well done APA

Would be nice...however, both parties will stare each other down to the wire. I know APA would like to burn the place down, but they would stand to lose more in the ensuing bankruptcy. The Death Star will dangle pay and pension guarantees in exchange for scope relief. Then Eagle(or whoever) will be flying 70+seat E-jets around.
 
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At the negotiating table Thursday, the union representing American Airlines pilots made a proposal that gets to the heart of more than 20 years of hard feelings between its pilots and American -- and for that matter, for many pilots at big carriers.

The Allied Pilots Association proposal:

All flying performed by or on behalf of the Company or an Affiliate shall be performed by pilots on the American Airlines Seniority List in accordance with the terms and conditions of this agreement.

I hereby take back every bad thing I've ever said about Lloyd Hill. Thank God someone is standing up and fighting for real scope language.
 
The timing couldn't be better. It's obvious the RJ is an ineffecient airplane (better call Al Gore...) and everyone is moving toward larger capacity feed.

AMR just wants something for nothing. TC
 
If only it would go somewhere.

They've proposed this before and AMR laughed. But it's Christmas time and everyone has a wish list for Santa.
 

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