Can we please lose the hats now at Citrus?

[800Dog]

If you need to wear a hat to distinguish yourself from aircraft cleaners, you need help. You're also kidding yourself if you think your hat gives passengers a warm fuzzy about your skills. The passenger couldn't give a rats @ss what you wear, they just want the cheapest ticket. If you want an example; look at the Virgin America pilots. Totally non-traditional, but do you see passengers running from the plane?

Face it hat lovers, the only good excuse to wear your hat, is to cover your bald head.

We have a winner!!!!!!

 

[flyn96]

Too many people thinking they're tool cool for school. Maybe you guys should try going to a tailor, half the guys in the terminal wear uni's that aren't even the right size. Oh and maybe you guys could try ironing your shirts once a year. Also washing your trench coat as least once a decade would look better and maybe some shoe polish. Oh wait, your guys are too busy making sure your nano screen doesn't get scratched.......MY BAD!

 

[Jetjockey]

I've nicknamed my hat the "hub-cap", because that's the only place I wear it. Hubs.

 

[LocoPiloto]

Exactly. With all of the real issues we have to deal with, and people get all worked up over putting a frickin' hat on their heads for a few minutes a day. Honestly guys, is it really that damn difficult to put the hat on your head and look like a pilot for a few minutes while you walk from ops to the airplane?

In your case it really doesn't matter. Like the morning after Thanksgiving in ROC standing in line at the McDonalds. I figured an AirTran pilot with that many ALPA stickers all over his flight bag (Jeesh, my daughter has less on her lunch box) it had to be you. Dude, I don't think the hat helps YOUR cause......

Loco:laugh:

 

[Max Powers]

Exactly. With all of the real issues we have to deal with, and people get all worked up over putting a frickin' hat on their heads for a few minutes a day. Honestly guys, is it really that damn difficult to put the hat on your head and look like a pilot for a few minutes while you walk from ops to the airplane?

You must be bald, ugly or a bore those are the people that get a woody from wearing the hat.

Look it is just a hat we aren't looking to rewrite the new testament. Make it optional if you really like looking like a Skycap.

LOSE THE FREAKING HAT.

Its also a generational argument between old and young or between open and closed minded. You guess who is on what side.

 

[Max Powers]

I've nicknamed my hat the "hub-cap", because that's the only place I wear it. Hubs.

FYI I started that nickname.

 

[CA1900]

It they want us to look and act like pilots from 1970 then they should pay us like a pilot from 1970

They do -- they just didn't adjust for 37 years of inflation.

$200,000 today is roughly $36,000 in 1970 dollars. So there ya go!

 

[say again]

The only hat i wear with pride is my Yankee hat!!!

 

[bladeusa]

we have hats at airtran?!? doh

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

If you need to wear a hat to distinguish yourself from aircraft cleaners, you need help.

Like I tell my six year old... it is not about you... the point?............

Ensuring the passengers and management know the difference. I can assure you.....managment wants to pay you the same and lav cleaners

Perhaps you really don't mind if you can distinguish your paycheck from an aircraft cleaners?

You're also kidding yourself if you think your hat gives passengers a warm fuzzy about your skills. The passenger couldn't give a rats @ss what you wear, they just want the cheapest ticket.

No... that is your justification for looking like an aircraft cleaner...

If you want an example; look at the Virgin America pilots. Totally non-traditional, but do you see passengers running from the plane?

And what do the pilots think of thier uniform? And what is next... polar tec fleece and crocs?

Face it hat lovers, the only good excuse to wear your hat, is to cover your bald head.

I don't really like the hat. But it isn't about me.

Anytime any organization wants to use the image of an Air Line Pilot, the hat is used. Earlier this year, SWA's spring timetable had a pilot with hat.

Face it guys.... you don't like the hat, because you lack character, self respect and pride in profession... you think you look goofy... and you probably do what that embarrassed look on your face....

We have a winner!!!!!!

Amongts losers.....

 

[Guppiedriver]

Wait a minute....you think management will give us a raise if we wear our hats? Dayum, if it's that easy, sign me up. NOT!

If you think wearing a hat will earn you respect, you will need to remove your hat, so you can get your bald head examined.

 

[Max Powers]

For those of us that understand CRM and team work - I always notice that when I interact with gate agents or ramp workers you get more friendly respect by having that stupid arrogant and Nazi like hat OFF..... of course AAI is guilty of having a few Ego tripping type A personality pilots and therefore that is why some of us unfortunately like the hat.

Like I said make the Hat optional for those few fools that get their wood row off of feeling superior to a Lav cleaner by wearing it.

And no we won't get a raise by wearing it.

 

[twepilot]

Not to change the subject..But...What the frick are we doing about SAP2? Who gives a rats ass about a stupid lid??

RV

 

[atldc9]

Not to change the subject..But...What the frick are we doing about SAP2? Who gives a rats ass about a stupid lid??

RV

Can we get an amen? They pay us to wear the hat. Who cares. Fix the contract and QOL issues, then worry about the freaking hat. And Iron your shirt you f***ing slob. And buy me a beer. And can we hope the steelers get crushed this weekend.

 

[V2+10]

Gotta agree with “Rez’ on this one.

There was a time in this country when it was considered a privilege to fly on an airplane. Gentlemen passengers wore suits and ties and the ladies wore dresses. It cost a lot of money to fly back then. Not anymore.

Today tickets are cheap and dress codes do not exist. Passengers feel that they can look and act however they wish just because they paid a $49 fare.

Consider that we as pilots have taken it in the shorts for quite some time now with pay and benefit erosion. It’s easy to feel brow beat. There was a time when we were looked upon with respect. We have a skill that not too many other people posses and we were paid accordingly. This too has changed. Please remember however some fault lies with us.

The truly sad fact is that we as pilots have allowed ourselves to become part of the $49 crowd. We have lost many of the traditions that made this profession respected, dress codes included. No hats, no blazers, no ties, it goes on and on and where does it stop?

If we truly want to be paid and treated like a professional it’s time we act like one. Never forget that traditions were the foundation that made this the career choice we all envisioned. If that means wearing a hat, then do so with pride.

V2

 

[olympus593]

Wait a minute....you think management will give us a raise if we wear our hats? Dayum, if it's that easy, sign me up. NOT!

If you think wearing a hat will earn you respect, you will need to remove your hat, so you can get your bald head examined.

That some funny s-h-i-t right there.

 

[cl65capt]

Think if this went up for a vote would more than 49% vote? Before anyone says anything, yes I did vote.

 

[LJDRVR]

I like the hat. Makes the uniform look good. I'm not short, bald or ugly, nor do I carry on a name-calling campaign against those who don't like the headgear.

Why such vitriol, fellas? The folks who make me chuckle are the guys who carry it around, like they're afraid to mess up their "John Edwards hair helmet" or something. If the CP strolls by are you going to put it on? Really, if you don't like it that's cool - have the balls to leave it at home.

Also, the "I'll-look/act-like-a-professional-when-they-pay-me-to" argument. I've never understood that. You took the job knowing what the requirements were and what the pay was, but now you're going to change the rules. Sounds like your professionalism is for sale. No offense meant, just an observation.

PS-As far as public expectations go, I don't care if you're a bleeding-heart member of move-on, the green party the black panthers and your "partner" is a minority and like you, "batting for the other team", and you hate whitey; you still want your airline Captain to look like Peter Graves in Airplane - with the hat.

 

[Max Powers]

Gotta agree with “Rez’ on this one.

There was a time in this country when it was considered a privilege to fly on an airplane. Gentlemen passengers wore suits and ties and the ladies wore dresses. It cost a lot of money to fly back then. Not anymore.

Today tickets are cheap and dress codes do not exist. Passengers feel that they can look and act however they wish just because they paid a $49 fare.

Consider that we as pilots have taken it in the shorts for quite some time now with pay and benefit erosion. It’s easy to feel brow beat. There was a time when we were looked upon with respect. We have a skill that not too many other people posses and we were paid accordingly. This too has changed. Please remember however some fault lies with us.

The truly sad fact is that we as pilots have allowed ourselves to become part of the $49 crowd. We have lost many of the traditions that made this profession respected, dress codes included. No hats, no blazers, no ties, it goes on and on and where does it stop?

If we truly want to be paid and treated like a professional it’s time we act like one. Never forget that traditions were the foundation that made this the career choice we all envisioned. If that means wearing a hat, then do so with pride.

V2

Hey to break this to you but but the tradition you are referring to had us never wearing hats inside!

Losing the hat is a much needed sign of us sticking it to the man. We are like a bunch of fast food employees with some dorky hat on.

 

[FR8mastr]

The only reason people don't like the hats is their ego's "I dont look cool in a hat" "I look like a sky cap"
These people will never see the how a pilot looks to a passenger, because they are to egosentric to get past "how do I look".

The proof of this is in this thread, how many complaints about the hat being too damn hot in the summer have you read? By the way I agree with that, it is too hot in the summer.

So if you hate the hat so much, at least be honest with yourself, and use the real reason, your own vanity.
In the meanwhile the profession will degrade further and further.
Before you start blasting me, the hat is just a symbol of many things that are destroying what's left of this profession.