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To the east guy's: We at PDT have a flow thru that we got in exchange for pay cut to secure YOUR ATSB loan, US managment, west pilot, PDT managment, PSA managment agree that it's in our contract, but the East AAA mec is blocking it, Why?
Mesa fly 90 CRJ but the east AAA MEC is scopping pdt out of 72 seat TP, Why?

In short you AAA guy's are a bunch of a-s-s-h-o-l-e-s!!! Good luck to the west guy's we support you!
No Flow Down, No Flow Up. Remember the agreement was never signed, otherwise those furloughed AAA/MDA would have returned to PDT and displaced you. Because of PDT ALPA we had guys on the street for a year or so who rightfully should have returned to PDT as captains. Now when hiring restarts you want a flow thru?? Good luck with that. Personally I would be looking to get out US Airways altogther. Hopefully all that turboprop time will make that happen for you.
 
the agrement was never signed? How thoses 100 ex pdt/psa guy's flow up then? But you are right there is no flow down agrement, however that doesn't change the fact that the flow thru is still valid. Don't worry we all know that Usair East sign agrement all the time but when thay don't like it anymore they act like it never existed IE Binding arbitration, means anything to you? Not if you don't like it anymore...
 
Oylmpus593, some of what you say leads me to believe that you are not and possible were not ever a PDT pilot. If you are a PDT pilot and were around during the concession talks then you would know that the flo-thru you speak of was to MDA and then to US. It was bidirectional from PDT to MDA. Now that MDA doesn't exist there is no means to flow from PDT to US. Seeing how you don't know this info leads me to believe that you are either a woefully ignorant PDT pilot or a flamebaiter. More likely the latter.
 
the agrement was never signed? How thoses 100 ex pdt/psa guy's flow up then? But you are right there is no flow down agrement, however that doesn't change the fact that the flow thru is still valid. Don't worry we all know that Usair East sign agrement all the time but when thay don't like it anymore they act like it never existed IE Binding arbitration, means anything to you? Not if you don't like it anymore...


Actually, there were NO PSA pilots that "Flowed". 100% were from PDT. And there was as much as a flow-back provision as there was a flow-up provision. The agreement was never really followed. The only reason US Air took the CEL pilots was because they were parking Dash 8's and this kept them from furloughing and also trimmed some of the higher paid pilots from the payroll. It was advantageous for the company to allow these pilots to "flow".
 
O.K PM me I'll be more than happy to email you a copy of the signed agrement.

241,the document says "a flow thru to USairways" but don't let the facts get in your way, there is no mention of a flow thru via MDA...I guess you've been drinking the AAA MEC koolaid... AAA MEC thought they were going to staple the AW guy's at the bottom of the list too...
 
i support the AWA US west guys in this one... the east guys expect the world.. IF it were not for this merger they would be history.

It is really sad that they cannot figure this out. I hope all the AWA guys are ok..
 
I may look young, but I left the commuter I was at as a chief pilot and had plenty of PIC when I came to AWA. After almost four years I'm still on short call reserve and looking to leave. Meanwhile you guys went from liquadation(yes you were about to tank) to upgrades and recalls. Who got the windfall?
Well after all, as you westholes are so fond of saying:
That's what our side brought to the table!
AMF!
 
Right. 2004 with three years is senior to 1985 with 22 years. Sure, that's fair. No fence required.

Watching all you boys post to yourselves in this thread really shows just how much you don't get it. I really like how every airline pilot wife is now some money hungry, vacation hungry slave driver who is somehow in the driver's seat. Hey man, I've lived in AZ, but that's not how we did it when I was there. Grow a pair, and while you're at it realize that there are two very pertinent sides to this battle. The thinking that we should just accept the reverse windfall and let ALPA try to get us a raise is so utterly stupid and shortsighted.....it reeks of newbie, naive thinking, or perhaps it's the result of standing there with a lottery ticket that you can't cash. Either way, you're in the minority out there, so we'll have to see how it goes.

Either way, and back to the topic, ALPA sucks donkey, and those who are scared to go it alone are a bunch of pu$$ies. Few on the East would be stupid enough to think there's a big fat raise just a few months down the road. This ain't their first contract, so it's tough to fool them into thinking they are foregoing a big raise that's right behind door #3.

Nic or no Nic, there are about 3000 pilots who are DONE with ALPA.


You should really seek professional help for that rage problem you have. Been getting a little embarrassed reading your posts and watching you make an utter fool of yourself on this webboard.And you really might want to give some serious thought about getting educated on to how that senority list was put together. The 1985 hire UsAir pilot I was slotted in behind is a bottom reserve Captain out of DCA,same seat, same position that I hold in PHX as a 1997 hire. I'm 56 percent on the old list, 59 percent on the new list. What you fail to realize is that a 1985 senority date at your airline allows that pilot to hold the same seat and same position as a 10 year pilot at mine. And that is how Nicolau built the list . Regrettably your senority number did not allow you to hold an active position at your airline. And he addressed that,too.In other words the new senority list was built on what your senority number can hold at your airline,not some wild assumptions that no longer applied in a post 9/11 world. Just because you got hired at your airline prior to Dave O'Dell getting hired at mine that doesn't give you the right to leapfrog over him,even though that is exactly what you guys were hoping for. Sorry we don't see it your way out here,but to be quite honest with you,neither did Nicolau.



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I've been told to remove my avatar it's seem that it offended a few people, so here my last post until I find a new one.
 

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