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Does not change the point of this thread. SkyWest is not an employer of choice given the other opportunities in the marketplace.

 

[duck_killer]

I already said what seprates us from Gojet pilots.

I was on the OC and from what I saw there were a couple thing working against us. Without putting words is people's mouths here are my opinions.

First of all 1/3 of our pilot group is under about 14 months of seniority. In this time there has been growth so many were not abused on reserve, and got a good line quickly so the staus quo was fine.In other words why fix it if it ain't broke? Or simply many believed ALPA couldn't make it better.

Secondly a huge chunk of our pilots have come form ALPA carriers and have had bad experiences, which i believe may have had an influence. I personally think this is faulty logic because ALPA is not the defining difference between us and other regionals. What are you gonna say to a guy who got screwed at MESA for years? What are you gonna say to the guys he flies with, that's gonna change their mind?

Another thing that hurt us was every vote was a no vote unless the called. Had the vote been based on a majority of who voted, if SAPA was on the ballot i think ALPA might have won. But thats not the way the vote works so ****. I am happy with the result? Hell no.

 

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Fair enough. Good explanation of your viewpoint.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Would you, as an experienced observer of this industry, suggest that a friend trade their precious youth for a SkyWest seniority number over the other options out there now?

That is the question.

Absolutely I would! Skywest is a great company and one of the best regional airlines.... In fact if I could make a lateral move and take my ATR with me, I would be there faster than Rez O Lewshun can pick up his ALPA pom poms....

You have moved on to Delta and I support your decision...... Please respect those of us who now work for Skywest Inc..... ALPA has done far more harm in terms of competing for flying than SGU has ever done.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Find me one and I'll bid the son of a gun, then let you know.

Truly it is incredible that the pilot who does IOE on a 150,500lb jet makes the same money a IOE LCA makes on ASA's CRJ200. No wonder SkyWest management has been figuratively seen around skunkworks with a copy of the PWA a gas can and matches.

Fins, mainline pilots at Delta, USAirways, and Northwest have underbid the CMR and ASA 700 rates in order to "recapture" flying.... I call it underbidding.... NWA and USAirways pilots are now flying these aircraft for less than ASA.....

Why did DALPA negotiate lower rates for the Ejets? Skywest pilots are not the problem..... The more you guys defend ALPA and blame Skywest pilots, the more harm you do to every getting another regional pilot group to join ALPA......

 

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Oh come on.... You saying SkyWest is a better deal than ASA?

I support your decision to stay on the ATR and earn more than a good half of pilots at the Legacy carriers, but you would rather work directly for SGU with no contract, no bonus and earning what they think turboprop drivers are worth?

You are just writing that because you know you will not have to do it. I'd rather share a hotel room with Rose O'Donnel & the cast of The View on a 35 hour layover than work for Jerry and the boys. Yes, I'm writing that because I know I will not have to do it.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Oh come on.... You saying SkyWest is a better deal than ASA?

I support your decision to stay on the ATR and earn more than a good half of pilots at the Legacy carriers, but you would rather work directly for SGU with no contract, no bonus and earning what they think turboprop drivers are worth?

You are just writing that because you know you will not have to do it. I'd rather share a hotel room with Rose O'Donnel & the cast of The View on a 35 hour layover than work for Jerry and the boys. Yes, I'm writing that because I know I will not have to do it.

No fins..... I am writing it because it is the truth....

I have a good friend who works for Skywest and has for about 15 years now.... He also supports getting ALPA on the property.... However he likes Skywest and likes working for Skywest.... He will tell you it is a good company to work for...

Trying to demonize Skywest because they didn't fall for the Herndon snake oil salesman is inconsistant with the common sense I know you are capable of....

The fact is, there is more job security on the Skywest side of the house than the ASA side of the house...... I want the job security..... ALPA has proven many times that it can't provide that.....

I think that double breasted coat is buttoned too tight....

 

[737 Pylt]

Absolutely I would! Skywest is a great company and one of the best regional airlines.... In fact if I could make a lateral move and take my ATR with me,

Or just step on anyone and try to sue them if they didn't agree with you, ala the rjdc!

I would be there faster than Rez O Lewshun can pick up his ALPA pom poms....

Speaking of pom poms, how are dan and jessee?

You have moved on to Delta and I support your decision...... Please respect those of us who now work for Skywest Inc..... ALPA has done far more harm in terms of competing for flying than SGU has ever done.....

I think its funny that all this rhetoric coming from a guy who's knee pads have permanent prints from under dan's desk, a guy who single handedly tried to do more harm to the profession than any scab has!

737

 

[SkyNation]

Trying to demonize Skywest because they didn't fall for the Herndon snake oil salesman is inconsistant with the common sense I know you are capable of....

I've told fins this before as well. for some reason, when it comes to skywest his fair and balanced approach goes out the window. sour grapes? I don't know, since he's moved on to DAL -congrats on that! my buddy there wonders why I don't take him up on his offer to push to get me an interview. I'm happy here, hope you're happy there.

 

[Morning Wood]

As for me, SkyWest's imitation of Sherman's visit to Atlanta motivated me to bail. I no longer have a dog in the fight (or would I ever admit to ever having any dog in any fight these days) but SkyWest simply is not the first choice it once was due to the actions of its management and pilots. Proverbs 16:18-19 pretty much sums it up.

The fact that Delta was hiring had no motivation for you leaving, right? SkyWest did not decide to fly to ATL anymore than ASA chose to fly to SLC or LAX. You get your marching orders from the same people SkyWest does, mothership Delta.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I've told fins this before as well. for some reason, when it comes to skywest his fair and balanced approach goes out the window. sour grapes? I don't know, since he's moved on to DAL -congrats on that! my buddy there wonders why I don't take him up on his offer to push to get me an interview. I'm happy here, hope you're happy there.

I am happy here and I believe Skywest buying ASA was a good thing. I also know Fins and he is a great guy. I believe he is frustrated, as am I, in this silly competition within a brand for flying. However I realize this isn't the fault of the Skywest pilots, and I realize that most of the downward pressure on 700 rates came from other ALPA carriers, and not Skywest.....

I like my schedule and I make enough money to have plenty of toys..... most importantly, I have the time off to enjoy them..... I wouldn't trade that, but I don't fault those who do.....

 

[~~~^~~~]

The fact that Delta was hiring had no motivation for you leaving, right?

This should be about issues, not individuals. But with a successful business there was no pressing need to move on. The RJ is a terrific jet to fly (up front) and the pilots at ASA are a great group to work with.

When SkyWest made threats, the infamous "four doors" memo came out and the last 7 jets were scheduled for transfer (knocking me off the 700 and costing me 11 to 15% in pay) Within the week applications were made to FedEx, Delta, AirTran and CAL. FedEx, Delta and AirTran offered interviews. I went to one interview and was hired. I keep my contacts with the other two open and are grateful for their invitations.

I'm a junior insignificant nobody now just serving customers & co workers - SkyWest pilots need not be concerned about my opinion. But a kid about to invest his time in an airline would be wise to try to obtain the best situational awareness possible since the seniority clock starts the first day of indoc.

 

[No.W.]

You would be incorrect. The majority of pilots are becoming disillusioned with the status quo, however ALPA has failed to prove itself as a worthwhile investment for a regional pilot. You can argue that SkyWest pilots are wrong, but in the end, ALPA hasn't done enough to sell themselves lately.

It may be true that the "Majority" of pilots are disillusioned with ALPA. It may be true that that is why the vote at SkyWest failed. HOWEVER, it is NOT true that ALPA is not doing it's best to "sell" itself within the bounds of truth and positive campaigning. The OC ran an AWESOME campaign here at SkyWest, one I was proud to support with my yes vote. Unfortuneately, a majority of my peers did not feel the same way. Democracy has done it's work...and I don't believe ALPA will be back at SkyWest for another go for a LONG time. It sucks, but it surely isn't ALPA's fault for not putting together an excellent, and professional drive.

 

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No. W.

Why do you think the vote turned out like it did?

 

[SkyNation]

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[dbchandler1]

it is NOT true that ALPA is not doing it's best to "sell" itself within the bounds of truth and positive campaigning. The OC ran an AWESOME campaign here at SkyWest, one I was proud to support with my yes vote. Unfortuneately, a majority of my peers did not feel the same way. Democracy has done it's work...and I don't believe ALPA will be back at SkyWest for another go for a LONG time. It sucks, but it surely isn't ALPA's fault for not putting together an excellent, and professional drive.

I think ALPA and the SkyWest OC did an awsome job of campaigning. But unfortunately I don't think that ALPA national has had much success on the regional level lately, I believe that led alot of people to vote no. Also I agree with Duck_Killer that the large number of pilots from "lower tier" ALPA carriers really hurt us.

 

[CFIT]

A: OK, did any of the SkyWest pilots vote against ALPA due to ASA and Comair pilot's lawsuit over the shennanigans at the ALPA 2000 Board of Director's meeting? Did anyone at SkyWest vote against ALPA as a result of Delta CY96 Section One provisions that restricted ASA from 105 to 50 seat jets with limited 70 seaters and subsequent actions that opened RJ flying to the lowest bidder? Can any SkyWest pilot even describe (one word will do) what the RJDC litigation was about?

B: Or did you vote in the hope that SkyWest would get more than the 26 jets already taken from ASA?

Please let us know before Joe's head explodes.

I voted against, like many (obviously), for the above reasons and others. Even the "Eveready bunny of ALPA Rez" has admitted that some substantial restructuring would be required to make ALPA attractive to a large airline that has been non-union for so long. However, to say that SkyWest should not be on the front of a prospective applicants list is not correct. New hire pay will soon be increased quite a bit from what I hear and the new prospects possible with Southwest next summer, not all will agree but SkyWest is still moving forward.

 

[No.W.]

No. W.

Why do you think the vote turned out like it did?

I think it was a combination of what duckkiller said...newhires who are "just happy to be here" and don't understand the stakes AND people who are just too apathetic to pick up the phone and vote...or too ambivalent about the outcome TO vote. Sad, I know, but I believe it's the truth, and that's why I also believe that ALPA is done here for a long time. Why waste time and resources on a group that doesn't want what you are "selling"? It's sad, because I knew those were the stakes, I knew this was effectively our last chance for a long time. BUT(<--BIG BUT) SkyWest is still a great company to work for, BECAUSE the people I work with are second to none. Even the ones who disagree with me on the union point of view. Since my personal circumstances dictate I must remain in my current city, and since commuting is not an option(I'd see my wife even less...which would be never), I am choosing to remain at SkyWest. In a few years, when my wife is finished with her training...we will reevaluate...but at the point I'll have 8 years of seniority. It's going to be tough to leave with that kind of seniority. I say all of that to help bring context to my decision to stay at this company, despite my belief that a union will not be here for a LONG time(if ever).

All that being said, things can change for the worse very quickly...and commuting can easily become an option in that situation. Delta would be an option, but I'd probably be out east somewhere for a considerable amount of time.

 

[Gandalf]

I voted against, like many (obviously), for the above reasons and others. Even the "Eveready bunny of ALPA Rez" has admitted that some substantial restructuring would be required to make ALPA attractive to a large airline that has been non-union for so long. However, to say that SkyWest should not be on the front of a prospective applicants list is not correct. New hire pay will soon be increased quite a bit from what I hear and the new prospects possible with Southwest next summer, not all will agree but SkyWest is still moving forward.

Yes, that's what we need more of. More whoring.

 

[dbchandler1]

Yes, that's what we need more of. More whoring.

Isn't that from Tommy Boy

 

[duck_killer]

Yes, that's what we need more of. More whoring.

And the flying you do is.................................

 

[CFIT]

Yes, that's what we need more of. More whoring.

Do you or any other pilot group of employees feel you can change what the respective board of directors want for a business decision?

It's a market driven environment, nothing less, nothing more.

 

[Gandalf]

And the flying you do is.................................

same as you......I voted yes.

The point is what we don't need, is to go around and get some more flying with larger aircraft for about the same pay.
100 pax at $60-70 bucks a hour - yee haa!

 

[Gandalf]

Do you or any other pilot group of employees feel you can change what the respective board of directors want for a business decision?

It's a market driven environment, nothing less, nothing more.

Ah, nothing like the stench of apathy.

So, we lube up and take it, huh....

Mainline pilot salary is down. Regional pilot salaries are a joke comparatively - especially now that we ARE flying "mainline" routes.

If a regional airline is to be a place to stay and have a decent career - then the pay and retirement benefits should be competitive to the type of flying and routes flown by other carriers, no matter the type of aircraft flown.

By staying with a regional airline for your career, then wouldn't it stand to reason that you would want to maximize your pay and benefits for that career?

There are of course QOL issues that may be better at a regional depending on your situation (money isn't everything), however QOL stuff varies at every company, in fact at every industry. Everyone has a different idea on what QOL things are most important to them.

However, we all generally agree on the amount that "we" should receive for our particular job.....An engineer at Apple and one at Microsoft may have different compensation and benefits, but OVERALL it will not be so different. And it certainly will not be below what is generally agreed on industry wide. Otherwise, for most of us QOL stuff will lose out to compensation.

Would I love to fly an 737? Sure! But NOT AT AN REGIONAL AIRLINE SALARY. That is what this industry is moving towards.

In the past when the regionals were flying mostly t-props and the route segments were short, it was acceptable to pay a pilot lower because they REALLY were "regional". The airlines COULD NOT bring in a 737 to podunk regional airport. But, that has all changed. The places where the airline could not bring in the 73, they can bring in an rj, or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5.....

And while "we" would be remiss in not assisting the companies try to make a profit, there is a point where it has to stop.

You graduate from law school and get an entry level job at a law firm. You expect to get paid a certain salary. After 10 years of experience and after being your firms top lawyer(ie. Captain), you move. You go to a bigger, better firm expecting a salary that reflects your overall experience as a lawyer. Now, at the new firm you may not be handling the top cases until you get experience with that company(ie. First officer).......However, you would NOT expect to get paid what you got when you had just graduated law school.

Because of the way this industry pays its pilots - Having more rjs, rj operators, and rj pilots in the overall system LOWERS THE PAY of everyone. If we were paid based on overall experience then it wouldn't matter as much.

Of course it is a market driven environment. THAT'S THE POINT. Managements will stop at nothing to make that penny for the shareholders.

IT IS OUR JOB TO LOOK OUT FOR US(the pilots). The problem is we can't. We don't have any real representation with management. We can't really be heard. So, even if this SWA thing is true and it turns out that we end up flying 100 pax. for industry bottom wages, we sure shouldn't be happy about it.

 

[737 Pylt]

This should be about issues, not individuals. But with a successful business there was no pressing need to move on. The RJ is a terrific jet to fly (up front) and the pilots at ASA are a great group to work with.

When SkyWest made threats, the infamous "four doors" memo came out and the last 7 jets were scheduled for transfer (knocking me off the 700 and costing me 11 to 15% in pay) Within the week applications were made to FedEx, Delta, AirTran and CAL. FedEx, Delta and AirTran offered interviews. I went to one interview and was hired. I keep my contacts with the other two open and are grateful for their invitations.

I'm a junior insignificant nobody now just serving customers & co workers - SkyWest pilots need not be concerned about my opinion. But a kid about to invest his time in an airline would be wise to try to obtain the best situational awareness possible since the seniority clock starts the first day of indoc.

Be careful fins, now you're pissing off your regional comrades. Before you know it you'll be one of those evil Delta pilots who's trying to ruin the industry!

Ah, nothing like the stench of apathy.

Actually, when you're dealing with CFIT, its stupidity!

So, we lube up and take it, huh....

Again, when you're dealing with CFIT.....Well, just ask his man love!

737


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[10nCLR]

1) We have three customers [um, fact].
2) Those aren't crickets you're hearing, they're violins [um, not fact, but likely true--and they're playing my heart bleeds for you]
3) To the yes-men, if you have strong scope as you all hope to have [and the iron-clad contracts], you should haven't to worry about losing flying you have, just about the flying that's up for grabs. All the benefits you suggest available by the union should protect you from the ununionized work-force, especially with 60,000 people on your side [um, fact, pilots do not enter into business agreements with other airlines, aircraft manufacturers or the like].
4) Our company simply has flexibility yours do not, and to this point, though that could change--things haven't been that bad, ceteris paribus.
5) I didn't know UAL and DAL were so unhappy with us, and, aaaahhhh, fact: neither do you [speaking of objective facts or lack thereof].

Generally, your posts make sense. This is not one of those times and I understand you're probably just frustrated by your own decisions. Why else would you feel the need to feel so protectionist and anti?

Well said. Fact

 

[duck_killer]

CFIT actually isn't a bad guy. You gotta understand though that he is in the training dep and can make 250K a year if he tries. The watch on his wrist is worth more than a months salary of one of the FO's he signs off. So the market forces are working excellently is his favor...

 

[Morning Wood]

This should be about issues, not individuals. But with a successful business there was no pressing need to move on. The RJ is a terrific jet to fly (up front) and the pilots at ASA are a great group to work with.

It isn't and never has been. Hopefully you left to Delta because you thought it was a good opportunity for you to make more money, fly wide bodies, or fly to Europe (or South America or whatever).