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higherflyer
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I nearly crashed my car while laughing my a$$ off the first time I saw a camel in the back of the Toyota pickup with a couple of sheep packed around it-- I guess as packing material.
As a "yank" who has been here quite a while, I feel that I can clear up a few points.
No longevity pay raises - not true. There is a "non-contractual" annual pay step of 3%. In the 12 years that I have been here, they have never not paid the increment but it will state in your contract that you are only guaranteed what your pay is your first year. The April/May pay review is to review the overall scale. The last few years have seen some pay increases but a few years before that we did receive a pay cut in the form of a "cost neutral pay adjustment". It cost me about $1300/month at the time. As far as pay goes, you will be at the mercy of the market which presently is working in our favor. The company is very cost conscious so they will pay you the very least that they feel they can get away with.
The training department doesn't like "yanks". I would have to disagree. What they don't like is pilots who come thinking that they are going to do things their own way and who can't be told anything. We've had a lot of Americans join in the last few years and the vast majority of them have come with an open mind, worked hard and been accepted. There have been a few (as there would be from anywhere else) who have come with an attitude and have had a more difficult time. Any airline has its own cockpit culture which you are going to have to adapt to.
Training pay of $5600/month. I wish. The base allowance for a TRI is $1700/month and for a TRE it's $2000/month. A lot of us have been making a lot more because they are so short of trainers, we are making boatloads of overtime.
Not receiving credit towards flight duty time for time spent in the bunks on ULH flights - unfortunately true. With the difficulty in crewing that they are currently having and with what we expect to see next year, look to see this used more and more to cover flights. The last time they used this scheme in any big way, pilots were flying 120-140 hours per month.
Inflation has been a huge factor the past few years and the company has simply not kept up. The falling dollar is partly to blame and is making it more and more difficult to attract or retain pilots from countries with strong currencies (Europe/Australia etc.) thus, they have been recruiting strongly in the U.S.. Ironically, the weak dollar is helping to prop up Emirates financial results - most of their receipts are in stronger currencies while they report in UAE Dirhams which is directly tied to the dollar. It is also true that nationals receive additional pay in the form of a "national allowance". Right now it is about $1100/month. This was "quietly" instituted this year and it remains to be seen if they will use it to increase the pay disparity between locals and expats. (Any bets?)
As far as your treatment, they are trying to treat people better because the market is dictating that they have to. Accommodation is a crap shoot. For ten years I was in a place that I really didn't like and the company wasn't very receptive or helpful. 2 years ago I was finally moved and I am very happy with where I'm at now. If you don't like where they put you, it will have a huge impact on your overall satisfaction with Emirates/Dubai. As far as the allowance goes, it sounds good but will only cover a fraction of your rent and utilities so unless you are going to buy - stay in company accommodation.
Moving half-way around the world for a job is a big step and life here is certainly not for everyone. If you are considering it, do yourself, your family and even Emirates a favor and do your homework. Some people like it and some hate it. No one is right or wrong. The only thing that matters is how you and your family like it. There are lots of positives and lots of negatives about coming here so make sure you are aware of both.
No longevity pay raises - not true. There is a "non-contractual" annual pay step of 3%. In the 12 years that I have been here, they have never not paid the increment but it will state in your contract that you are only guaranteed what your pay is your first year. The April/May pay review is to review the overall scale. The last few years have seen some pay increases but a few years before that we did receive a pay cut in the form of a "cost neutral pay adjustment". It cost me about $1300/month at the time. As far as pay goes, you will be at the mercy of the market which presently is working in our favor. The company is very cost conscious so they will pay you the very least that they feel they can get away with.
The training department doesn't like "yanks". I would have to disagree. What they don't like is pilots who come thinking that they are going to do things their own way and who can't be told anything. We've had a lot of Americans join in the last few years and the vast majority of them have come with an open mind, worked hard and been accepted. There have been a few (as there would be from anywhere else) who have come with an attitude and have had a more difficult time. Any airline has its own cockpit culture which you are going to have to adapt to.
Training pay of $5600/month. I wish. The base allowance for a TRI is $1700/month and for a TRE it's $2000/month. A lot of us have been making a lot more because they are so short of trainers, we are making boatloads of overtime.
Not receiving credit towards flight duty time for time spent in the bunks on ULH flights - unfortunately true. With the difficulty in crewing that they are currently having and with what we expect to see next year, look to see this used more and more to cover flights. The last time they used this scheme in any big way, pilots were flying 120-140 hours per month.
Inflation has been a huge factor the past few years and the company has simply not kept up. The falling dollar is partly to blame and is making it more and more difficult to attract or retain pilots from countries with strong currencies (Europe/Australia etc.) thus, they have been recruiting strongly in the U.S.. Ironically, the weak dollar is helping to prop up Emirates financial results - most of their receipts are in stronger currencies while they report in UAE Dirhams which is directly tied to the dollar. It is also true that nationals receive additional pay in the form of a "national allowance". Right now it is about $1100/month. This was "quietly" instituted this year and it remains to be seen if they will use it to increase the pay disparity between locals and expats. (Any bets?)
As far as your treatment, they are trying to treat people better because the market is dictating that they have to. Accommodation is a crap shoot. For ten years I was in a place that I really didn't like and the company wasn't very receptive or helpful. 2 years ago I was finally moved and I am very happy with where I'm at now. If you don't like where they put you, it will have a huge impact on your overall satisfaction with Emirates/Dubai. As far as the allowance goes, it sounds good but will only cover a fraction of your rent and utilities so unless you are going to buy - stay in company accommodation.
Moving half-way around the world for a job is a big step and life here is certainly not for everyone. If you are considering it, do yourself, your family and even Emirates a favor and do your homework. Some people like it and some hate it. No one is right or wrong. The only thing that matters is how you and your family like it. There are lots of positives and lots of negatives about coming here so make sure you are aware of both.
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SplitBar
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Apply and check it out. At a minimum it is a free mini vacation to see Dubai. I went last fall and it was a blast. They put you up in a very nice hotel for 5 nights and you get like $100 per day for food if I remember correctly. I declined day 2 and 3 of screening and spend the rest of my stay being a tourist. It's 3 full days of screening so if you are not interested in the job than you can withdraw out of the process after day 1 and you still get your full hotel/food. It was a neat visit but there is no way in heck I would ever move there... total crap hole of a society.
Check out pprune. There is a ton of very negative info regarding EK & Dubai that will steer you well clear of joining Emirates.
Check out pprune. There is a ton of very negative info regarding EK & Dubai that will steer you well clear of joining Emirates.
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Flooder305
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Is that why you were having accommodation problems Nino? Because you wanted the FA tower instead of the Pilot tower? Figures buddy.....
You know me well!
Training pay of $5600/month. I wish. The base allowance for a TRI is $1700/month and for a TRE it's $2000/month. A lot of us have been making a lot more because they are so short of trainers, we are making boatloads of overtime.
The training pay of $5600 I was talking about is the pay you receive as a new hire while in training. It's your base salary, once you start flying you get a little extra that brings your take home pay between 6 and 7 thousand.
The training pay of $5600 I was talking about is the pay you receive as a new hire while in training. It's your base salary, once you start flying you get a little extra that brings your take home pay between 6 and 7 thousand.
There is no flying free here except for the one time a year the company flies you back to your home country for vacation.
There are 3 different types of tickets you can purchase two are standby and one is a firm seat. You and your immediate family are allowed to purchase these. Parents are allowed and sometimes brothers and sisters in law can get some as well. No buddy passes.
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Occam's Razor
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Whoa! Somebody skipped their meds!
I'll never forget reading the Gospel according to St. Matthew, especially the part where he tells his followers to "turn the other cheek, but only until you can draw-down and kill 'em!"
Let's see if your Christianity allows you to fill in the blanks: " ____ thy enemy..."
Bonus: "...as we _____ those who trespass against us."
Crawl back under your rock, dork.
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Now that was the most level-headed post I've read in a while. Thanks for that.
I'm surprised how many narrow-minded people there are in this industry, based on the comments that always arise regarding the M.E. or South Asian country. How can you judge a place you've never been to and certainly know little about? That's like me judging all of New Jersey and the entire East Coast New England area just because of my experiences at EWR.
Dubai and EK have many upsides. If I weren't already entrenced at a major, I would certainly consider it.
As if the US is any better... we've become prisoners in our own socities with political-correctness run amuck. Offend someone, and you may lose your career. In no time we will be like the USSR with the thought police running our every move.
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Can you add some pictures to give us a feel of the world you live in?
PHXFLYR
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His "plutonium" one liner was pretty good to.:laugh: The kid's got a definite future in stand -up comedy!!
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UGH!!!! I can barely deal with 3 of 'em, never mind 28. Don't care how hot they are....
PHXFLYR
coleger, gillegan; can you tell me about language, is English popular, have you had the need to pick up local languages'?
What about health, do you have a family Doctor (or airline medical dept.), are hospitals (ER's) easy to use, good, normal to what we would be used to in the States?
Freinds or co-workers; have you meet people to socialize with, or are you board with no one else long way from a culture you grew up with?
tnks
I know pilots at EK. They said that the email you talk about (asking for permission in my book), CAN be denied by Scheduling. TRUE or false...
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Almost everyone in Dubai speaks English, it is the business language of Dubai. Most people say they are going to learn Arabic when they get here but end up not doing it because they don't need it. It doesn't hurt to learn though.
Emirates has their own medical clinic with doctors, dentist and nurses. You go there for treatment and if a specialist is needed they send you to someone else. You can go to any ER in town for emergencies. I haven't been to any but I here the medical treatment here in dubai is good. My cousin had a accident in the Iraq war and they sent him to Dubai for treatment.
Your friends will be your classmates at first, it's hard to go out and meet people when you are training all the time. A lot of it depends on your personality, if you are out going you will make a ton of friends, if you are a loner maybe not. The statistics are always changing, there are somewhere around 115 American pilots here, 240 from England, 160 from Austrailia, 150 from South Africa. However I was told that 50 percent of the applications on file are from the US, so the number of Americans here will be changing.
On your days off you can do whatever you want. Realistically you need a good 4 or 5 days off in a row to make it back to the states. Average days off per month is between 12 and 14, though contractual minimums days off is 9. Right now it's no where close to a minimum of 9 days off, but remember one thing I said the company can do what they want when they want. If they want to make it only 9 they can and there is nothing we can do about it. This is my schedule for the month.
14 days off
2 rest days (A day off before I leave in the middle of the night)
2 day to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
2 day to Johannesburg, South Africa
5 day to Singapore, Melbourne (Australia), Singapore
2 day to London
2 day to Bangalore. India
A lot of trips leave in the middle of the night to be able to get to their destination in the morning. Three of my report times are between 1 and 4 in the morning.
Most to all overnights are 24 hours long. Per Diem is done differently here. You show up at the hotel and an envelope is given to you with local currency for food. It's based on the hotels restaurant for an average meal. So if the hotel gives us 50 percent off you get less money that if they didn't give us a discount.
FALSE, there is no asking. Only notifying.
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What utter stupidity. You're just as bad as the terrorists. Take your unpatriotic nonchristian hypocrisy elsewhere, idiot.
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captain822
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Is it pretty typical to get all your days off in a row? You have 14 off in a row...is that what you usually see...give us an idea of how it changes month to month.
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It's already been said, but it bears repeating. You are a moron! Do the rest of us a favor an quit posting on Flightinfo.
I didn't explain it well. This is probably a good to OK schedule. Remember there are 5 bid groups, you will have good schedules for 2 or 3 months in a row then not so good.
1 OFF
2 OFF
3 OFF
4 OFF
5 RIYADH (Get back at 1210am)
6 This day is considered working because I got back at 1210am
7 OFF
8 OFF
9 OFF
10 REST (Duty in a 3:25am next day)
11 JOHANUSBURG
12 DUBAI (Get back at 1245am)
13 This day is considered working because I got back at 1245am
14 OFF
15 OFF
16 REST (Duty in at 145am)
17 SINGAPORE
18 MELBOURNE
19 SINGAPORE (Get back at 1am)
20 Day spent is SINGAPORE
21 DUBAI
22 OFF
23 OFF
24 LONDON
25 Day in London
26 DUBAI
27 OFF
28 OFF
29 BANGALORE INDIA
30 DUBAI
31 OFF
AA717driver
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colejer,
If I'm not mistaken, your roster is a training roster so it might not necessarily be representative of an average line roster. As we are chronically short of training captains, training is taking more time than desired.
As far as days off, it varies but I do not believe anyone has a guaranteed number of days off in their contract. According to the FOM, the minimum days off per month is 6 but you have to average 8 per month over a 3 month period. What you get depends more on the type of flying that you are doing (long vs. medium haul), how you bid and staffing levels for your fleet/position. This is going to be a difficult recruiting year so there is a high probability that numbers of days off will decline over the next 12 months.
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