Lighten up Francis....

[dhc8fo]

My apologies to the United that had to go around tonight because of me at IAD. But come on, give a guy a break. I didn't do it on purpose (this is in respose to his nice "Thanks XXX" on the air).

I have been flying the King Air so much and hadn't been in the jet for a month and a half and I found myself trying to go for beta rather than deploying the reversers. By the time I figured out what I was thinking, I was too fast to make Y5.

Am I forgiven?

 

[whatitdoing?]

It's alright, he probably made an extra 100 bucks. Wait....more like 12.50.

 

[CitationLover]

f' them (specifically the controllers). when they cleared you to land did they ask you to hold short? the entire piece of pavement is yours. just because they can't separate a/c doesn't make it my problem.

 

[Deerkiller]

f' them (specifically the controllers). when they cleared you to land did they ask you to hold short? the entire piece of pavement is yours. just because they can't separate a/c doesn't make it my problem.

Exactly...A 757 went around behind me one time and the controller got on me like it was my fault. We made the high speed. So my question is, how much spacing did we have if he doesnt have time for me to make the high speed?

 

[TAWS]

Unfortunately, the corporate aircraft going into IAD do this all the time - the UAL pilot is probably sick of it. BTW, 170 to the marker means 170 to the marker, not 170 to 2 or 3 miles from the marker whereupon the (insert corporate aircraft here) decides that its time to slow to Vapp.
This gets really old guys.

 

[fandango]

Unfortunately, the corporate aircraft going into IAD do this all the time - the UAL pilot is probably sick of it. BTW, 170 to the marker means 170 to the marker, not 170 to 2 or 3 miles from the marker whereupon the (insert corporate aircraft here) decides that its time to slow to Vapp.
This gets really old guys.

Works both ways . When you are following someone and they say 170 to the marker for following (xxx...insert name here)... that means you SLOW to 170 for the guy infront of you. That happens more at IAD than anywhere. Someone gets pi$$ed cause theyre slowed 100 miles out and tries to make it up the last 8 miles.

My favorite was in the Chicago area.
Controller: "SW slow to 250 at 12000."
SW: "we already are at 250"
Controller: "Well, you are overtaking the RJ infront of you by 70 kts and he's at 250 also, so SW slow to 180 till you can read the numbers, then call me back."
SW: "Roger, we'll slow to 250 now."

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Unfortunately, the corporate aircraft going into IAD do this all the time - the UAL pilot is probably sick of it. BTW, 170 to the marker means 170 to the marker, not 170 to 2 or 3 miles from the marker whereupon the (insert corporate aircraft here) decides that its time to slow to Vapp.
This gets really old guys.

You're kidding yourself.

Mr. I.

 

[TAWS]

You're kidding yourself.

Mr. I.

No, I'm not. It's happened to me more than a few times - and it's always at IAD.......

 

[Kroll]

Unfortunately, the corporate aircraft going into IAD do this all the time - the UAL pilot is probably sick of it. BTW, 170 to the marker means 170 to the marker, not 170 to 2 or 3 miles from the marker whereupon the (insert corporate aircraft here) decides that its time to slow to Vapp.
This gets really old guys.

Have you flown some corporate jets? For instance the lear 60 can have approach speeds of 147-152. On top of that it is pretty slick. If your not configured by the marker you may not be by the time you touch down (staying on profile). All of this takes planning and you need a little bit of time for that. The controller may not give you that. Once on the ground the smaller jet may not make an earlier turn off because it is smaller. The lear 60 has terrible brakes. The airliners I have flown can usaually stop sooner than the Lear 60.

All this being said Corporate guys should be able to maintain a 170 speed to the marker. All planes are not equal and smaller does not mean better performance numbers. Corporate guys don't go in and out of the hub all day long and are not as familar as the airline guy. So cut them some slack.

 

[ExpWayVis31]

Unfortunately, the corporate aircraft going into IAD do this all the time - the UAL pilot is probably sick of it. BTW, 170 to the marker means 170 to the marker, not 170 to 2 or 3 miles from the marker whereupon the (insert corporate aircraft here) decides that its time to slow to Vapp.
This gets really old guys.

Obviously your craft does not have TCAS.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

No, I'm not. It's happened to me more than a few times - and it's always at IAD.......

You're still kidding yourself.

Mr. I.

 

[Flying Illini]

Oh yeah, it's all the corporate guy's fault. C'mon. Just b/c he's not flying an airliner you're superior? Hell, he may be a furloughed guy for all you know.

You know what really sucks? Having to slow to .78 or 310kts for an airliner.

Get over yourself, we're all pilots and all on the same team. Snide comments on the radio are as unprofessional as it gets...thinking you're better than someone else just b/c of the equipment they fly, well, that's just sad.

 

[DrewBlows]

Unfortunately, the corporate aircraft going into IAD do this all the time - the UAL pilot is probably sick of it. BTW, 170 to the marker means 170 to the marker, not 170 to 2 or 3 miles from the marker whereupon the (insert corporate aircraft here) decides that its time to slow to Vapp.
This gets really old guys.

I've had a United 737 pull this exact trick in front of me. He couldn't make the first high speed on 18L in CVG which amazes me because he slowed down well outside the marker. I cursed him out a little as we went around (uh...I mean on the ground out of sterile cockpit), but I got over it. I've had bad days too.

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

No, I'm not. It's happened to me more than a few times - and it's always at IAD.......

Personally, the guy riding in the back of the corporate jet just spent $10,000 + (DOCs) for his flight, so if the crew wants to give him a nice smooth roll out so be it. Wonder what the folks paid for a ride in the back of your E-jet? Besides, what do you know, I figure you are probably some Republic nugget F/O. Which means nobody on here gives a $hit what you think except for other nugget F/O's.

Give us all a break TAWS and come back here when the water behind your ears is finally dry.

 

[Lars!]

Don't we get paid by the hour? I'd go around five times a day if I could get away with it.