Lighten up Francis....

[dhc8fo]

My apologies to the United that had to go around tonight because of me at IAD. But come on, give a guy a break. I didn't do it on purpose (this is in respose to his nice "Thanks XXX" on the air).

I have been flying the King Air so much and hadn't been in the jet for a month and a half and I found myself trying to go for beta rather than deploying the reversers. By the time I figured out what I was thinking, I was too fast to make Y5.

Am I forgiven?

 

[whatitdoing?]

It's alright, he probably made an extra 100 bucks. Wait....more like 12.50.

 

[CitationLover]

f' them (specifically the controllers). when they cleared you to land did they ask you to hold short? the entire piece of pavement is yours. just because they can't separate a/c doesn't make it my problem.

 

[Deerkiller]

f' them (specifically the controllers). when they cleared you to land did they ask you to hold short? the entire piece of pavement is yours. just because they can't separate a/c doesn't make it my problem.

Exactly...A 757 went around behind me one time and the controller got on me like it was my fault. We made the high speed. So my question is, how much spacing did we have if he doesnt have time for me to make the high speed?

 

[TAWS]

Unfortunately, the corporate aircraft going into IAD do this all the time - the UAL pilot is probably sick of it. BTW, 170 to the marker means 170 to the marker, not 170 to 2 or 3 miles from the marker whereupon the (insert corporate aircraft here) decides that its time to slow to Vapp.
This gets really old guys.

 

[fandango]

Unfortunately, the corporate aircraft going into IAD do this all the time - the UAL pilot is probably sick of it. BTW, 170 to the marker means 170 to the marker, not 170 to 2 or 3 miles from the marker whereupon the (insert corporate aircraft here) decides that its time to slow to Vapp.
This gets really old guys.

Works both ways . When you are following someone and they say 170 to the marker for following (xxx...insert name here)... that means you SLOW to 170 for the guy infront of you. That happens more at IAD than anywhere. Someone gets pi$$ed cause theyre slowed 100 miles out and tries to make it up the last 8 miles.

My favorite was in the Chicago area.
Controller: "SW slow to 250 at 12000."
SW: "we already are at 250"
Controller: "Well, you are overtaking the RJ infront of you by 70 kts and he's at 250 also, so SW slow to 180 till you can read the numbers, then call me back."
SW: "Roger, we'll slow to 250 now."

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Unfortunately, the corporate aircraft going into IAD do this all the time - the UAL pilot is probably sick of it. BTW, 170 to the marker means 170 to the marker, not 170 to 2 or 3 miles from the marker whereupon the (insert corporate aircraft here) decides that its time to slow to Vapp.
This gets really old guys.

You're kidding yourself.

Mr. I.

 

[TAWS]

You're kidding yourself.

Mr. I.

No, I'm not. It's happened to me more than a few times - and it's always at IAD.......

 

[Kroll]

Unfortunately, the corporate aircraft going into IAD do this all the time - the UAL pilot is probably sick of it. BTW, 170 to the marker means 170 to the marker, not 170 to 2 or 3 miles from the marker whereupon the (insert corporate aircraft here) decides that its time to slow to Vapp.
This gets really old guys.

Have you flown some corporate jets? For instance the lear 60 can have approach speeds of 147-152. On top of that it is pretty slick. If your not configured by the marker you may not be by the time you touch down (staying on profile). All of this takes planning and you need a little bit of time for that. The controller may not give you that. Once on the ground the smaller jet may not make an earlier turn off because it is smaller. The lear 60 has terrible brakes. The airliners I have flown can usaually stop sooner than the Lear 60.

All this being said Corporate guys should be able to maintain a 170 speed to the marker. All planes are not equal and smaller does not mean better performance numbers. Corporate guys don't go in and out of the hub all day long and are not as familar as the airline guy. So cut them some slack.

 

[ExpWayVis31]

Unfortunately, the corporate aircraft going into IAD do this all the time - the UAL pilot is probably sick of it. BTW, 170 to the marker means 170 to the marker, not 170 to 2 or 3 miles from the marker whereupon the (insert corporate aircraft here) decides that its time to slow to Vapp.
This gets really old guys.

Obviously your craft does not have TCAS.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

No, I'm not. It's happened to me more than a few times - and it's always at IAD.......

You're still kidding yourself.

Mr. I.

 

[Flying Illini]

Oh yeah, it's all the corporate guy's fault. C'mon. Just b/c he's not flying an airliner you're superior? Hell, he may be a furloughed guy for all you know.

You know what really sucks? Having to slow to .78 or 310kts for an airliner.

Get over yourself, we're all pilots and all on the same team. Snide comments on the radio are as unprofessional as it gets...thinking you're better than someone else just b/c of the equipment they fly, well, that's just sad.

 

[DrewBlows]

Unfortunately, the corporate aircraft going into IAD do this all the time - the UAL pilot is probably sick of it. BTW, 170 to the marker means 170 to the marker, not 170 to 2 or 3 miles from the marker whereupon the (insert corporate aircraft here) decides that its time to slow to Vapp.
This gets really old guys.

I've had a United 737 pull this exact trick in front of me. He couldn't make the first high speed on 18L in CVG which amazes me because he slowed down well outside the marker. I cursed him out a little as we went around (uh...I mean on the ground out of sterile cockpit), but I got over it. I've had bad days too.

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

No, I'm not. It's happened to me more than a few times - and it's always at IAD.......

Personally, the guy riding in the back of the corporate jet just spent $10,000 + (DOCs) for his flight, so if the crew wants to give him a nice smooth roll out so be it. Wonder what the folks paid for a ride in the back of your E-jet? Besides, what do you know, I figure you are probably some Republic nugget F/O. Which means nobody on here gives a $hit what you think except for other nugget F/O's.

Give us all a break TAWS and come back here when the water behind your ears is finally dry.

 

[Lars!]

Don't we get paid by the hour? I'd go around five times a day if I could get away with it.

 

[Jmoney]

United

United can eat it on this one-he probably wasn't planning well. You always should take into account what you are following and try to make it work out.

-Still far safer to just go around than try and pull 45 degree banks at 300 AGL -which I have seen some coc-gobblers do on multiple occasions-very unsafe!

 

[Whataburger]

I have been flying the King Air so much and hadn't been in the jet for a month and a half and I found myself trying to go for beta rather than deploying the reversers. By the time I figured out what I was thinking, I was too fast to make Y5.

Am I forgiven?

I hear ya. I've been flying the Cub so much lately that I went for the heal breaks on the 737, and I had to make the next taxiway. oops.

 

[Skank]

Obviously your craft does not have TCAS.

My thoughts exactly. Nobody looks out for me as well as me.

 

[andyd]

Personally, the guy riding in the back of the corporate jet just spent $10,000 + (DOCs) for his flight.

If the Corporate guy can afford to spend $10,000 on the flight....then he sure as Hel! can afford to pay his fare share of the user fee's. Our passengers may be paying a fraction of what YOUR passengers are paying but OUR's are the one's that are paying 90% of the user fee's. Once Corporate flight departments are paying thier fair share, then they have a gripe....until then....GO AROUND!

 

[FlyFlyFly]

All I can say is:

normal speed is .82 for us. Any time we are on airways here in the east, we are at .78 or less for "traffic".

I do 170 or 180 to the marker at IAD when asked, a frequent destination for us, but I will not break china because the controller didn't space properly or because "traffic" kept 200 to the marker.

Maybe if you did at least .80 I would brake a little harder and make that first turn off...

 

[LaGarbage Man]

Unfortunately Mr. I, TAWS is not kidding himself.
As someone else pointed out, we are all out there sharing the same airspace/groundspace. We airline types have plenty of issues of our own to work through and hopefully with a good training dept. and helpful feed back we can work through them. That being said the reality is that some (NOT ALL) but some Corp./Chrtr. types don't have that resource available to them. I know that FlightInfo cannot be thought of as an institution of higher learning, but sometimes constructive criticism should be viewed as just that. Not a "Mine Is Bigger Than Yours" pissing contest. I agree with many of the posters that Airliners & Corp. aircraft & ATC are all guilty of screwing up the spacing in IAD. So here is my gripe after flying in and out of there for 10 years. As many of you know the FBO's at IAD are on the North end of the field. On more than one occasion I have had to go around for a Corp./Chrtr. aircraft who has decided he/she will just let it roll to avoid having to taxi with the rest of the herd when IAD is landing to the North. Clear the runway & join the line.
As for the whole my pax paid $10,000 for his flight, I direct you to andyd's post. Fact is my pax have just as much a right to as hassle free flying experience as possible. Your $10,000 client can sip some more champagne while he waits in line while my 1/2 a can of soda crowd has to suck up another 20 min or more delay for the go around. Don't sound right in my book

 

[fandango]

...Nevermind....Withdrawn

Obviously your craft does not have TCAS.

 

[curtis46]

yeah unless you have a tight commute home.last night i had to go around bc Delta took the very last exit,not very professional in my opinion but i anderstand once clear to land the runway is his until exit.i still made it home so life is good.

 

[SoCentralRain]

Don't we get paid by the hour? I'd go around five times a day if I could get away with it.

Hey, if it comes to making the last flight home on your commute so you can be home 12 hours earlier, I'd say keep your pay. I'll put it on the numbers, take the first highspeed and be first off the plane if I need to. Gotta plan ahead.

Extra pay (via the missed) vs. Quality Of Life w/ the family...I'll take QOL.

 

[buxflyr]

Works both ways . When you are following someone and they say 170 to the marker for following (xxx...insert name here)... that means you SLOW to 170 for the guy infront of you. That happens more at IAD than anywhere. Someone gets pi$$ed cause theyre slowed 100 miles out and tries to make it up the last 8 miles.

Been to CLT recently?

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

All I can say is:

normal speed is .82 for us. Any time we are on airways here in the east, we are at .78 or less for "traffic".

I do 170 or 180 to the marker at IAD when asked, a frequent destination for us, but I will not break china because the controller didn't space properly or because "traffic" kept 200 to the marker.

Maybe if you did at least .80 I would brake a little harder and make that first turn off...

Oh please... the difference between .80 and .78 is maybe 10 knots.

 

[Choppy]

If the Corporate guy can afford to spend $10,000 on the flight....then he sure as Hel! can afford to pay his fare share of the user fee's. Our passengers may be paying a fraction of what YOUR passengers are paying but OUR's are the one's that are paying 90% of the user fee's. Once Corporate flight departments are paying thier fair share, then they have a gripe....until then....GO AROUND!

We will gladly pay those user fees when we can buy gas at what you pay! Your airline would fold like a cheat suit at what we pay for gas!

 

[SpauldingSmails]

yeah unless you have a tight commute home.last night i had to go around bc Delta took the very last exit,not very professional in my opinion but i anderstand once clear to land the runway is his until exit.i still made it home so life is good.

*Triumph the Insult Dog* What a great story... for me to poop on.

 

[svcta]

If the Corporate guy can afford to spend $10,000 on the flight....then he sure as Hel! can afford to pay his fare share of the user fee's. Our passengers may be paying a fraction of what YOUR passengers are paying but OUR's are the one's that are paying 90% of the user fee's. Once Corporate flight departments are paying thier fair share, then they have a gripe....until then....GO AROUND!

The excise taxes that corporate operators pay as part of the cost of fuel are percentage based. That is: X% of $8 is way more than X% of $3. So as fuel has gotten that expensive the corporate operators are paying more of their share than ever. The system is funded mainly by these taxes and the aviation trust fund, which has more money in it than ever. Airlines don't pay these taxes. They are paid for directly by the passengers and it's a level cost for every carrier, so it's not inhibiting any competition. Truth is, the airports that cause the most stress on the system are utilized almost exclusively by the airlines.

 

[pipejockey]

I have been flying the King Air so much and hadn't been in the jet for a month and a half and I found myself trying to go for beta rather than deploying the reversers. By the time I figured out what I was thinking, I was too fast to make Y5.

Ever hear of brakes? Since when do you NEED the thrust reversers to get the aircraft to exit speed? The use of reversers are not even accounted for on most landing distance charts.