Over half of PDT FO's hired in '07

[FMEpilot]

42 Reg jacket

 

[McNasty]

Travis never should have left!!!!!!!!!

Wow!!! I think i crapped my pants. "Well at peidmont" go back to SBY!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BoilerUP]

I think he is trying to state that it comes down to experience.

THANK YOU!

As I said, I wasn't saying that 1500 hours of experience was as good as 3000 hours of experience...just trying to understand what the reasoning was for 3000hr captains being a "necessity" in the Dash when RJ operators as well as other prop operators have an exemplary safety record with captains having less than that TT.

 

[OPECJet]

Got a set of three stripes. Never worn.

 

[dirkdigler]

Gotta love a cryptic, condescending smartass on the internet...

Tell you what. Ask anyone if anybody who has to rsort to name calling after receiving only few critical words should be a captain of any aircraft..... There are tons of people who get on our flights and the people we work with everyday, that can truely test your patience and capacity, as you may have noticed by now. If you think just being safe is the only queality that's required by any captain, you're right -- there are lots of other carriers who would be happy to put you in the left seat.

There is no doubt being safe is the most important thing however there are tons of other things that can really ruin your and other poeple's day. Not to mention the liabilities the company could get hit by, if you are talking about their insurance. And the company depends on the captain's experience, maturity and character to best deal with them.

As of now, 3000 is where PDT draws the line, however arbitrary it may be. Deal with it.

 

[BoilerUP]

Tell you what. Ask anyone if anybody who has to rsort to name calling after receiving only few critical words should be a captain of any aircraft.....

The truth only hurts if it should, friend.

I asked an honest, legitimate question and it was "answered" by you in a condescending, smart-ass tone. All I wanted was the reasoning why some folks feel 3000 hours to upgrade at Piedmont is a "necessity". If you had made any reference to the average (in)experience of PDT's newhires or airplane/airport-specifc operational issues I'd have understood...but you offered NOTHING to that end. JonnyP did, and I thanked him for his insight.

There are tons of people who get on our flights everyday, that can truely test your patience. If you think just being safe is the only queality that's required by any captain, you're right -- there are lots of other carriers who would be happy to put you in the left seat.

What you just described is not specific to Piedmont, or even the US Airways Express system - those issues exist everywhere. And while total time or even time in type *might* be an indicator of safety from an experience perspective, it's a piss-poor indicator of the quality of a given captain's judgment or customer service skills.

As of now, 3000 is where PDT draws the line, however arbitrary it may be. Deal with it.

I don't have to "deal with it", I don't work there though I have the utmost respect for PDT pilots and the flying they do. Besides, I never said 1500 hours of experience was equal to 3000 hours...a fact I've repeated at least three times now.

Guess that's what I get for asking an honest question on Flightinfo.

 

[dirkdigler]

The truth only hurts if it should, friend.

I asked an honest, legitimate question and it was "answered" by you in a condescending, smart-ass tone. All I wanted was the reasoning why some folks feel 3000 hours to upgrade at Piedmont is a "necessity". If you had made any reference to the average (in)experience of PDT's newhires or airplane/airport-specifc operational issues I'd have understood...but you offered NOTHING to that end. JonnyP did, and I thanked him for his insight.



What you just described is not specific to Piedmont, or even the US Airways Express system - those issues exist everywhere. And while total time or even time in type *might* be an indicator of safety from an experience perspective, it's a piss-poor indicator of the quality of a given captain's judgment or customer service skills.



I don't have to "deal with it", I don't work there though I have the utmost respect for PDT pilots and the flying they do. Besides, I never said 1500 hours of experience was equal to 3000 hours...a fact I've repeated at least three times now.

Guess that's what I get for asking an honest question on Flightinfo.

Glad to hear it. Sounds like you've got it all figured out. Wish you best of luck.


Truly,

Your "condescending smartass"

 

[BoilerUP]

Sounds like you've got it all figured out.

Far from it, actually...

I just think its a shame that you couldn't be bothered to answer a simple, honest question. I don't deal in flamebait, and the folks in your pilot group that know me personally would tell you I'd be more than happy to listen to your perspective even if I ultimately disagreed with it.

Wish you best of luck.

Likewise...

 

[CallmeJB]

Knowing him personally, Boiler is a mature and safe pilot and soon will make an excellent CA. He deals with facts and never argues with emotion. He asked a simple question to start a discussion.

I assure you he will always kindly listen to your perspective; and he will almost never agree with it.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Seriously, why all the hate? :beer:

 

[MEL'ed]

42 Reg jacket

I will have a 42R old style FO jacket and epaulets for sale Dec 1.

On a seperate note, why is PDT changing the parking in SYR to a long term private lot in DEC? That means bussing and no garage so.. snow covered cars. The hell if I would leave my keys with anybody while on a trip even if they do ensure your car is not snowed in. That is no BONUS as JB wrote. BONUS would be not chasing a few dollars a month and let us keep our garage spots or even parking in the employee lot at the terminal. It just made me realize why I want to leave this place.

 

[BoilerUP]

You on your way out MEL?

 

[FMEpilot]

Is this the first year they have asked for volunteers to act as customer service reps in hub airports?

 

[zasca]

laughed when i saw that. no pay and no positive space...............................

 

[WSurf]

I think everyone laughed when they read that! Jeez, just what we want to do since most of our bases have crap for schedules.

Lets see crap for schedules and instead of spending time with your family and friends over the holidays they think you will just try and get on a flight to help a bunch of pissed of pax at our hubs.

No Postive Space and no Pay for it! I bet they probably laughed in SBY after they typed that up.

You have to start at the bottom PDT managment. First you fix our schedules and make lines more commutable. Then you treat your employees with more respect. Then you can have the balls to ask people to do some crazy crap for the company.

 

[plunger]

When did PDT pilots start wearing the new uniform? I thought we (PSA) were the only ones wearing them.

 

[greyskyracer]

When did PDT pilots start wearing the new uniform? I thought we (PSA) were the only ones wearing them.

All of the new FOs are getting them. We don't have a uniform allowance, so they want us to pay for them on our own. They are giving us till April 2009 to get our new uniforms and I give it a 50/50 chance that Piedmont will be around in 2009.

 

[79%N1]

What are these new uniforms you speak of?

 

[zasca]

Started getting them with the 2nd April class or the first May class under the guise of "testing the distribution of the new uniform supplier". Cheap looking black uniforms with strips that are similar to United guys... Holy ********************, that's why we are getting new uniforms... Merger with United by April 2009!!!! Heard it here first!

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Started getting them with the 2nd April class or the first May class under the guise of "testing the distribution of the new uniform supplier". Cheap looking black uniforms with strips that are similar to United guys... Holy ********************, that's why we are getting new uniforms... Merger with United by April 2009!!!! Heard it here first!

No you dummy... It's a UAL flowthrough!

Don't you know anything?

:beer:

 

[jellynuts]

No you dummy... It's a UAL flowthrough!

Don't you know anything?

:beer:

you're both wrong. we're getting flowthrough rights to GO Jet. aren't you excited!?!!

 

[zasca]

i'll finally get in that dreamy crj...

 

[FMEpilot]

It's whatever, they're really pretty damn ugly.

 

[GlenQ]

They still looking for just the Commercial Multi as the mins?

Looks like they put out a new first officer job posting on the web site with higher mins than just your com/multi...its all the way up to 300tt now! and the posting, (dated 11/16) makes sure to mention that we have a "flowthru" with mainline (yes, they are calling the preferential hiring a flowthru in the posting)

 

[zasca]

ooooh... that deserves a punch in the groin.

 

[jellynuts]

Looks like they put out a new first officer job posting on the web site with higher mins than just your com/multi...its all the way up to 300tt now! and the posting, (dated 11/16) makes sure to mention that we have a "flowthru" with mainline (yes, they are calling the preferential hiring a flowthru in the posting)

well they're actually telling the truth. we do have a flowthrough agreement. they just forgot to mention that we're getting dicked out of it (but we can have an interview with no guaranteed time off), just like we got dicked out of jets and we'll also get screwed out of LTP's. they'll go to Colgate.

 

[zasca]

don't be immature, "Colganoscopy" if you please...

 

[FMEpilot]

FIL says that they are aiming to hire 50 a month through 08, wouldn't that more than double our pilot group minus almost 200 who could be assumed to leave for greener pastures and mainline? Could that imply the arrival of new planes?

 

[NCFlyer]

FIL says that they are aiming to hire 50 a month through 08, wouldn't that more than double our pilot group minus almost 200 who could be assumed to leave for greener pastures and mainline? Could that imply the arrival of new planes?

The memo says 25 / month through 2008.

 

[WSurf]

Okay, I guess that comes out to about 300 pilots. Since most are low time I would figure about 20 month get thru. Now your down to about 240 pilots.

With a a bunch of people going to Compass and Republic to fly the Big Shiney RJ, I would say out of those 300 we will have about 140 left by the end of the year.

So basically we have to hire 300 pilots to keep 150 for about a year.

 

[zasca]

"try" to hire "up to" 25 a month is more like it... Not like they'll ever get that many in a month. Unless it's 2 classes a month, with 15+ applicants per date.