New Eagle Minimums!!!

[CFIIer]

Let's not get hasty fellas.:smash: The one thing that always amuses me is how people on this board always get all worked up. The last sentence in my last comment was a little unnecessary. Looking back, I would have paid the money and gotten the gouge off the net. I guess I'm a little bitter that people who have no experience in life or in an airplane are given these opportunities, while I spent 3 years flight instructing, and then flying those cancelled checks. I will say, everything does happen for a reason.

Fact is, didn't really want the job. Just wanted the experience of interviewing for some regional airline. What did upset me a little was the overweight individual who sat across the desk and brow beat me. I wonder if he still does that, or if he basicly grovels at the younger's feet?

I'll bet you though, that they don't ask these newbies anything past their last name and maybe favorite hobbie. It's just a sign of the times...

Have a great day everyone
:beer:

 

[siucavflight]

CFII, you would be wrong still not a cake walk interview. In my interview class last year two out of the 8 of us made it through.

 

[chignutsak]

Back in 2004 when I went in for my interview with 1600tt, 200 multi CFII, they wouldn't hire me because I hadn't studied the gouge and filled my brain with what the 121 alternate minimums were at the time..... Thankfully for that, I was given the opportunity to go find my dignity flying for Uncle Sam.....
American Eagle can ki$$ my a$$

Wow, what a shame. Somehow, though, Eagle managed to continue without your majesty's presence.

 

[pilotyip]

reapply as the hiring market changes they will redefine competitve minimums

 

[AAsRedHeadedbro]

While I agree that it would be nice to get pilots with higher experience, the simple fact of the matter is that those pilots are getting harder and harder to find as the pool dries up. I happen to be an IOE line check airman and my observation is that these new hires are challenge to bring up to speed, however just about all of them eventually make it through the process. The folks that wash out almost always do it earlier in the process - usually during the sim training.

Once these folks get on-line, they usually quickly become just as competent, in a broad sense, as the more experienced FO's. And like all of the FO's they learn the intricacies as they as they gain experience.

Btw, a lot of you may not know this, but this has happened in the past. Back in the late 60's airlines like Pan Am were hiring pilots with single engine commercial licenses only. How do I know this? I had a discussion about 19 years ago with a senior Pan Am 747 captain who told me that he was hired with exactly that sort of time. The airline had to give him his multi rating while in initial training.

This stuff was fairly common for a while back then and most of those retired as highly experienced wide body international captains.

 

[labbats]

Btw, a lot of you may not know this, but this has happened in the past. Back in the late 60's airlines like Pan Am were hiring pilots with single engine commercial licenses only. How do I know this? I had a discussion about 19 years ago with a senior Pan Am 747 captain who told me that he was hired with exactly that sort of time. The airline had to give him his multi rating while in initial training.

This stuff was fairly common for a while back then and most of those retired as highly experienced wide body international captains.

It's not apples to apples. Back then there was a selection process and a large pool of applicants, much like the armed forces is now. They may have low time, but they have a very stringent weeding out process prior to getting airborne.

In today's environment, anyone with $80,000 to scrape together can get hired and put several dozen lives in their hands.

 

[Popeye0537]

TRANSLATION: "I didn't prepare for the interview and could not get through one of the easiest hiring processes in the business. I sat there and watched everyone else from my interview group, some with much less experience than I, pass through all four phases with no problem. But me, a tough guy with 1600 whopping hours... well, I just couldn't cut it and they sent me home with my tail between my legs.

Now, instead of realizing that it was MY fault for not preparing for the interview and a simple fifty-question written test, I'll just blame the process and ridicule the comany. After all, nothing is ever my fault."

Wow, thats harsh. I interviewed in 03 with more time than you have now and didn't make it. My "paper work" wasn't complete enough for them! Sorry I didn't add up all my C152 night/dual/hood time together, I hadn't received the email they said they sent me. I really wanted to work for Eagle at the time, but it was a blessing... I would still be sitting in the right seat.

 

[wacoflyr]

I just finished initial training at Eagle. Two out of the nine in my interview class got hired. Fifteen out of the eighteen newhires in my class made it through. No question, the sim was the toughest part. I've got 4,000 plus, mostly multi, with 1,200 of that flying checks, and more than 800 IMC in New England. Trust me, it was tough. We may be green, we may not know the ropes, but we can certainly fly an airplane.

Respectfully, Wacoflyr

 

[spacecadet1]

I just finished initial training at Eagle. Two out of the nine in my interview class got hired. Fifteen out of the eighteen newhires in my class made it through. No question, the sim was the toughest part. I've got 4,000 plus, mostly multi, with 1,200 of that flying checks, and more than 800 IMC in New England. Trust me, it was tough. We may be green, we may not know the ropes, but we can certainly fly an airplane.

Respectfully, Wacoflyr

With your time, I can't believe you would go to eagle, or couldn't get hired elsewhere. Do you have any blemishes on your record? Faa violations, no college degree, multiple DUI's, etc?

 

[hindsight2020]

This thread is amazing. What credence does f$ckin gouge hold in the overall process of evaluating the value of a candidate as it pertains to employability. The guy above who may have not bothered to study the gouge (I swear regionals are the collegiate aviation environment of the 21st century) but managed to end up flying barneys and not planted himself on the ground. Shame on him for not making it through the "comprehensive" hiring process at Eagle and for not reading the almighty gouge..(sarcasm)

To each their own, but you guys have to stop drinking the kool-aid. Rational people make decisions based on incentives. siucavflight touting eternally about comprehensive hiring process, how only 2 of 8 in his class "made it through", in a regional where you will be paid FO pay for close to a decade before having any semblance of career progression (even a lateral move could have been thwarted by getting hired at Y regional to begin with) is the epitomy of the emperor has no clothes. I don't care if you get to live on base, you'll quit Eagle before making CA and you'll do so because you can't afford to get paid 35K a decade after you started nor forego said time to get an ounce of TPIC. I can understand if the guy choked on a RAH, skywest, XJT interview, but at eternal right seat Eagle, come on, he was better off financially CFIing, period dot.

 

[siucavflight]

The uninformed amaze me. decade to upgrade? Right now it is seven years, however there is a three year hiring freeze, 2001-2004, so overnight the upgrade time will drop to 4 year, and now with our flowthrough being extended to 1500 more pilots it will drop significantly from there. Eagle is a good place to work, sorry you did not make the cut.

 

[spacecadet1]

How can you say eagle is a good place to work. I guess when you've been in prison so long, you don't know any different. Even Mesa is better. ANyone knows that.

 

[siucavflight]

How can you say eagle is a good place to work. I guess when you've been in prison so long, you don't know any different. Even Mesa is better. ANyone knows that.

Does it bother you that I am happy working here? Can you give me an honest answer as to what your beef is with Eagle? Do you work here, did you work here? Qualify your hate, I am happy here, it is not the greatest place to work, but I gaurntee you it is better then most other regionals, and you cant really compare Mesa to Eagle.

 

[spacecadet1]

You are another poor victim of the AMR evil empire. Just lower on the food chain. Your role is to serve your master, AA. You are weak and worthless.

 

[siucavflight]

Just as I thought, you are unable to have a real conversation. Again I ask you, why the disdain for AE?

 

[Bruno82]

How can you say eagle is a good place to work. I guess when you've been in prison so long, you don't know any different. Even Mesa is better. ANyone knows that.

This is obviously a false statement. Mesa is not a better place to work. I had several friends leave there.

 

[CFIIer]

The uninformed amaze me. decade to upgrade? Right now it is seven years, however there is a three year hiring freeze, 2001-2004, so overnight the upgrade time will drop to 4 year, and now with our flowthrough being extended to 1500 more pilots it will drop significantly from there. Eagle is a good place to work, sorry you did not make the cut.

Don't care to argue with you about Eagle. I'm happy that you are supporting your employer, and I'm impressed that they've been able to gain your support for the low low cost of around 18K a year.
Problem I have is that you felt the need to down somebody else because they don't work there... Do you honestly think that because you've been given the opportunity to put the gear up and down in an RJ and take vectors to an ILS, that gives you the room to act like a big bad pilot?

Take it down a notch about eagle, nobody cares dude...

 

[hindsight2020]

siucavflight,

It's not a matter of having a beef against Eagle, but your rationalization of a fact (7+ year uprade) borders on misinformation. If you're hedging your career bets on the Xmas wishlist that was your last post, that's your prerrogative. BUT, anybody who is willing/able to justify living on the real world @ regional FO payscales, for effectively a decade, raises a flag on my ADI. Either you're a complete idiot since you'll have to live off credit, or like Grizzly Adams (I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt), OR you don't need the money and have artificial sources of income/housing options (parents, previous career) to offset the stagnant pay. The latter IS a problem for this industry, and those I do have a beef with.

I wish you success in your career, but I have to openly question your happiness with Eagle on the basis of what I argue is a disingenuous portrayal of the long term feasibility of that company for folks trying to put food on the table. The only people Eagle makes sense for is those AA displaced pilots or people who would be content making Eagle their final destination. Everybody else should stay clear. You (from what I gather from your previous posts) are neither, so your constant pointing out about the quality of screening at your current employer is disingenuous and a mere rationalization, never mind immaterial as noted by people on this board who have been rejected by Eagle and yet attained other avenues of employment of a higher quality, such as the military, (sorry if that chafes people). Somebody needs to offer some counterpoints to the koolaid, we're all big boys here and everybody is responsible for their own homework, but it has to be stated that your outlook on the company is a wish, not a fact, and people need to make decisions based on that.

 

[siucavflight]

hindsight,
I understand what you are saying. What I am saying is that everyone chooses where they work for a reason, and I did my homework and arrived at the decision that Eagle was the right regional for me.
What I was looking for, first of all the most important thing for me was location. I live in Chicago and wanted to stay here, I have another source of income and for that I needed to stay here. Another was the QOL, I have been at Eagle for a year, average 15 days off a month. And do not work weekends.
Like I said I do have another job, in fact it about tripples my pay. However at Eagle as an FO I will clear about 37K this year, and close to 42 next year, if I needed to I could get by on that. I like working here, the crews are great, the company does not bother me on my days off, Thanksgiving I will be sitting at home with my family.
The upgrade time here is long, I knew that coming in, and like it or not the upgrade time is coming down, and will continue coming down.
I encourage everyone to do their research, and I am sure they will not decide for or against Eagle based on a bunch of hearsay on a whiney pilot message board.

 

[wacoflyr]

Hey hindsight, considering what you call yourself, I would have thought you would be a little more careful about blanket statements. Siucavflight has a reasonable opinion of what may happen, given the two year hiring gap. He's guessing, but his logic is as good as anybody's. Also, basic starting pay is 25K, but everybody here makes more than that. As to the future? A lot of these regionals are going to change, some dramatically. Beyond that basic statement, we are all just pissing in the wind, but you seem to be doing an awful lot of that regarding a carrier you don't work at. Watchout! In the future, your hindsight might see your pants all wet.

Wacoflyr