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can99

can99

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Can someone answer the following without going on a rant tangent for a new hire :

1. Basing, do you choose or does Flexjet choose?

1a: $4000 moving allowance, do they pay the $4000 or up to $4k based on the receipts you produce after you move?

2. Aircraft type... do you as a newhire get to bid or request a type, or is it what the need is on the day of hire?

3.Reserve time... is there reserve at Flex ...or do you go straight to a schedule?


Thanx in advance !
can99
 
can99 said:
Can someone answer the following without going on a rant tangent for a new hire :

1. Basing, do you choose or does Flexjet choose?

1a: $4000 moving allowance, do they pay the $4000 or up to $4k based on the receipts you produce after you move?

2. Aircraft type... do you as a newhire get to bid or request a type, or is it what the need is on the day of hire?

3.Reserve time... is there reserve at Flex ...or do you go straight to a schedule?


Thanx in advance !
can99
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These questions have been answered about 100 times but here you go.
1. You get to chose
1a. 4k regardless
2. They tell you. It's based on company demand.
3. Yes we do have reserve. You will get forced reserve for a while until you have enough senority to hold a line.
 
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well...I dont agree with all those answers completely

1a. The $4,000 will be about $1900 after taxes and 401k.

2. Mostly company demand, but plenty of people are given a choice if there are lots of classes running. I was offered the 45, or the 60 a week later, so I took the 60 and a couple of weeks off.

3. yes there is reserve, but you might not be forced onto it if a few people above you bid for it. and besides, it is not like airline reserve, it basically just means you get your schedule a bit later than eveyrbody else. it ends up being no different. you don't wake up in the morning wondering if you have to work or not.
 
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Club ORD FO said:
well...I dont agree with all those answers completely

1a. The $4,000 will be about $1900 after taxes and 401k.

2. Mostly company demand, but plenty of people are given a choice if there are lots of classes running. I was offered the 45, or the 60 a week later, so I took the 60 and a couple of weeks off.

3. yes there is reserve, but you might not be forced onto it if a few people above you bid for it. and besides, it is not like airline reserve, it basically just means you get your schedule a bit later than eveyrbody else. it ends up being no different. you don't wake up in the morning wondering if you have to work or not.
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well how did i end up with forced reserve for 3 months then? a very very good chance for forced reserve.
 
Propilot77 said:
well how did i end up with forced reserve for 3 months then? a very very good chance for forced reserve.
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Very airplane dependent is how. I'm on the 45 and only did one month on reserve. I hear the 300 works hard and is short-staffed so it may be longer until staffing catches up. Can't speak for the 60 or the 604. Also depends on how many people above you bid reserve, the more that do means less chance of it being forced. Unfortunately it's not like the airlines where you can look at a bid pack and get a pretty good idea of what you can hold, here you never know until the bid comes out.
 
For the most part growth.

We have had three 45 captains go to SWA. We lost one guy to a medical reason and another retire. All upgrades from the lears are going into the 300. The 300 is just selling like crazy.

The 604 continues to be a stagnant fleet. We are supposed to upgrade 40 guys/gals by the end of the year. Best guess on seniority number would be around seniority number 280 to 290 for the upgrades by years end.

Flex is forcast to continue to bring on 7 Challenger 300's a year for the next 3 to 4 years. That equates to roughly 21 captains and 14 copilots a year for then next 3 to 4 years.

On Your Six said:
Is that due to growth or attrition? Are those remaining former 45 captains upgrading to the CL300/604 in most cases?
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CL300Pilot said:
For the most part growth.

We have had three 45 captains go to SWA. We lost one guy to a medical reason and another retire. All upgrades from the lears are going into the 300. The 300 is just selling like crazy.

The 604 continues to be a stagnant fleet. We are supposed to upgrade 40 guys/gals by the end of the year. Best guess on seniority number would be around seniority number 280 to 290 for the upgrades by years end.

Flex is forcast to continue to bring on 7 Challenger 300's a year for the next 3 to 4 years. That equates to roughly 21 captains and 14 copilots a year for then next 3 to 4 years.
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300 said it right a lot of guys going to the 300 also just found out Flex got 60 PRIA requests recently!
 
Flyingdog1 said:
Go to NJA !
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WOW it only took 11 post for someone to say that. If you can't answer the question then don't respond.

On that note, I have been here at Flex 21 months and I am going to upgrade class in just over a week.
 
wow, so Bailey that 60 PRIA requests number is accurate? I assumed it was an exaggeration. Wow... good news for us folks waiting for the upgrade. I wonder which half of the senority list most of those are from...
 
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wow, so Bailey that 60 PRIA requests number is accurate? I assumed it was an exaggeration. Wow... good news for us folks waiting for the upgrade. I wonder which half of the senority list most of those are from...
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All over and yes it is correct. In fact in October we had 3 who went to SWA and 1 to Frontier.

Bailey
 
Wankel7 said:
Wait what....you lose over 52% every every paycheck to 401k and taxes? How much do you stuff into your 401k?
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no, the relocation check is a "bonus" and so it is taxed at a higher rate than your normal paycheck. I think I was putting in 10% into my 401k when I got that.
 
walshsfly said:
WOW it only took 11 post for someone to say that. If you can't answer the question then don't respond.

On that note, I have been here at Flex 21 months and I am going to upgrade class in just over a week.
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What!? Are you the self appointed moderator?

Why would a pilot go to work at Flex as opposed to NJA?

Can99, will make more as a first year FO, than you will as a first year Capt.

- he will start accruing sick days at one a month on day one of employment. You had 0 for the whole first year you worked.

- he can be based at more than 100 cities w/ NJA, not just 4.

-his insurance premiums are 100% paid. What do you pay, Walsh?

- He will get paid his daily rate and half for all federal holidays, Flex crew gets 25 dollars per crew for diner on Christmas and Thanksgiving.

- He won't start his first day until 8 am at NJA. 6 am at Flex.

- he will be paid for a 7 day vacation, 5 day at Flex.


There are plenty more benefits to working at NJA as to Flex, you can read their old contract and current TA yourselves.

Walsh, I'm looking foward to your answers of my questions. I hope you can answer them, or at least the first couple.
 
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Flyingdog1 said:
What!? Are you the self appointed moderator?

Why would a pilot go to work at Flex as opposed to NJA?

Can99, will make more as a first year FO, than you will as a first year Capt.

- he will start accruing sick days at one a month on day one of employment. You had 0 for the whole first year you worked.

- he can be based at more than 100 cities w/ NJA, not just 4.

-his insurance premiums are 100% paid. What do you pay, Walsh?

- He will get paid his daily rate and half for all federal holidays, Flex crew gets 25 dollars per crew for diner on Christmas and Thanksgiving.

- He won't start his first day until 8 am at NJA. 6 am at Flex.

- he will be paid for a 7 day vacation, 5 day at Flex.


There are plenty more benefits to working at NJA as to Flex, you can read their old contract and current TA yourselves.

Walsh, I'm looking foward to your answers of my questions. I hope you can answer them, or at least the first couple.
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No I am not a self appointed moderator, but why is a question asked about Flexjet always get hijacked buy some idiot talking about nj?

And why would someone want to work here instead of there, because of your attitudes first, and second because even your owners like us better (thats first hand comments from your owners that have flown on my plane.)

Now everything you listed only happens if your TA passes, but we will see if that happens. Its a shame you have to sell out retirement for the new guys, but hey your young what do you care (right now)
 
nicely said! Walsh. Someone always gotta HJ someone elses thread. I think the comment goes something like: "Misery loves Misery" They aren't happy so they try to bring everyone else to their level.
 
Walsh, you have got to admit that the pay, benefits, and QOL are severely better at NJ. A lot, if not most, of what he mentioned is their current stuff and is not in the TA.

I do think we have a better product here at flex (have heard if from owners same as you have), but come on, shouldn't we also get paid like it? And I've never met a NJ pilot on the road with a bad attitude. Have you? I've shared sedans to FBO's, asked for bottles of water when we ran out with no stock lock in sight, and been offered their left over catering when our crew meals looked like poison. Every flex guy I have talked to that left here for there likes it just as much if not better.

I do like it here at flex, but we do have lower than average pay and QOL. Anybody looking to get a job will look at that stuff first and foremost. seriously walsh, if you were looking for a job right now, would you apply to a lower paying company first? Better attitudes and planes can only count for so much.
 
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- He won't start his first day until 8 am at NJA. 6 am at Flex.
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Just a quick clarification, we do have early starts on our first days at NJA; I've had several 4:00am starts. However, if we do start before 8:00am, we get overtime pay for those hours before 8:00am and overtime for duty periods more than 9 hours in length. For example, if you start at 5:00am and finish at 4:00pm on your first day, you would get 5 hours of overtime pay for that day worked. That just applies to the first day on duty, not the rest of the tour.
 
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walshsfly said:
No I am not a self appointed moderator, but why is a question asked about Flexjet always get hijacked buy some idiot talking about nj?

And why would someone want to work here instead of there, because of your attitudes first, and second because even your owners like us better (thats first hand comments from your owners that have flown on my plane.)

Now everything you listed only happens if your TA passes, but we will see if that happens. Its a shame you have to sell out retirement for the new guys, but hey your young what do you care (right now)
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Walsh,

You're WAY off base.

I work at Flex. I've asked the same question to RH, with no good answer. Why would someone work at Flex instead of NJ? Because an owner will like me better in a blue tie better than a gold one. I don't think so. Applicants come here ( now), because they can't get on with NJ. Fewer and fewer applicants will be current in a jet, and or, never been typed in jet. Or, never have flown a jet. You don't have to believe me. Just ask the next guy you see doing OE what his background is. That's not a horrible thing, but when you upgrade and your "B" FO flys you from TEB to JFK to do a pickup this winter, let us know how that goes.

I wish no ill will to you, Flex or NJ. We are all out there doing the exact same job. My only wish is that Bombardier steps up to the plate.
 
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As I started this thread let me interject:

I personally applied and hoped to get a interview at Flexjet (applied just last weekend...hoping for a interview call one day!)..

I work for a company owned by NJA, actually 80% of NJA and NJI pilots dont realize their company has another company operating jets in the 135 world, and has been doing it for many many years, and a long time before NJA was invented!

I sit in FBO's and listen... here is my observations from the last 3 years of Corporate flying:

NJA pilots whine and whine and whine! The are constantly bitching about the union / TA / Pay / Conditions / Scheduling / Crew food ... I am YET to find a happy NJA pilot.

I have even overheard a NJA pilot at a FBO talking to a owner and telling them how they are underpaid and work far too many hours duty! He even mentioned his current pay rate to the owner.

Flex pilots on the other hand do bitch, but its different you guys bitch about pilots you fly with, trips you do... its normal bitching and in most cases its fun! I have never heard a Flex pilot complain about their plane, their crew food, their pay at a FBO!

As a group I see the Flex pilots a fair bit happier than the NJA pilots.

I have also never seen as many micromanaging Captains as I have seen with NJA... does NJA attract this sort of person ? I would hate to spend a 7 day trip with one of these demi-gods of aviation.


Now sure NJA is getting a pay rise, but is it worth it? Do you guys really like your jobs? I see many negative people at NJA...I hate negative a-holes personally, and would hate to be around your 24/7 bitchen !

But thats me

And wow 100+ NJA bases, thats great, I am happy for you. But Flex offers the bases that I would be happy with, sure its not Columbus Ohio...or somewhere really expensive to live in California but hey I can live with it.

Again its personal choice

I have 2 friends in NJA, both arrived with the biggest planes they had flown being PA44's, and both admit to being scared and scary to fly with for that first 50hrs+ ,I would hate to be a pax on those flights! I also met a NJA pilot who was into their 6th month of IOE and still employed!!(I know its not called that but I cant remember what NJA call it) We have all been there and done that, I am glad I fly with a great guy who remembered what it was like having your first jet job and scaring the ********************e out of you, the Captain, the air traffic controller and your pax! It was fun though ! But I digress...

So what am I saying... I dont really know now. But as a personal choice I would take Flex first...for the QOL (my personal version of QOL is got to do with where I live) and the general pilot group I have come in contract with. There are many other reasons but they are of personal choice. Personally I would rather work for the smaller company with the happier pilots than the overpaid whiners in a big company.... Of course I am using the assumption here I get a call for a interview and fit the profile of the person they want and get a Flex job!! But hey if not, I know when my current ride is sold next year I have been told that I can get a step up the ladder into NJA due to the fact I am already working for a NJA company.
 
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Well said Can99.... yes, lots of negative NJ guys, lots on shuttles to the FBO b..tching about their contracts... shut up already guys!! With them it's the pilots and union against management. That's not how it should be... all on the same team and paying your salary. Lots of unprofessional and inexperienced NJ guys... just go to an uncontrolled field and listen to them try to get a clearance from an RCO?? Flex is not the highest paid frax out there, but you will fly a superior product with a much more fun group to work with.
 
Actually now you think about it the Radio calls from the Exec jet fleet are funny, just last week on the way to the middle of nowhere Idaho we were empty bumping along in light chop, with a Execjet sitting right behind us, it was light turbulence but little pockets of it... the guy in Execjet asks for turbulence reports in front, he got it from us, then informs the controller 'he' needs a immediate climb or descent for turbulence and he said 'This turbulence is a little unnerving we need to get out of it ASAP' !

Another guy a month ago over Denver asks center for some sports scores...the controller asked which game, he replies 'Any thing to do with sport.. I am bored' WTF! Needless to say the controller was speechless and quickly handed the Execjet off to the next sector.

So Execjet pilots are good for something...making us laugh!
 
can99 said:
Actually now you think about it the Radio calls from the Exec jet fleet are funny, just last week on the way to the middle of nowhere Idaho we were empty bumping along in light chop, with a Execjet sitting right behind us, it was light turbulence but little pockets of it... the guy in Execjet asks for turbulence reports in front, he got it from us, then informs the controller 'he' needs a immediate climb or descent for turbulence and he said 'This turbulence is a little unnerving we need to get out of it ASAP' !

Another guy a month ago over Denver asks center for some sports scores...the controller asked which game, he replies 'Any thing to do with sport.. I am bored' WTF! Needless to say the controller was speechless and quickly handed the Execjet off to the next sector.

So Execjet pilots are good for something...making us laugh!
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So the interview at Netjets didn't go that well, huh?
 

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