Skywest and ATL Reductions?

[701EV]

Late see Skywest run 700 flights a day out of ATL. Their on time will look like ASA's on time.

701EV

 

[Morning Wood]

Yeah, but does Skywest have 40 minute scheduled turns in ATL all day long? With 20 minute turns at the outstations?

Only 6 airplanes in and out of ATL during the day, two of which end up in the SLC system. Pretty hard to tell how good we do compared to anyone else with that few flights in ATL. Take the whole system with hubs in ORD, SFO, LAX, SLC, and DEN with 1800-plus flights in a day for 3 code shares to get a better idea of what goes on. ATL is a drop in the bucket.

 

[Skywest Pylot]

Why would SkyWest hand the aircraft with 1st-class seating over to the worst on-time regional from the best on-time regional?

I know it has already been said but I think you're gonna see the ASA numbers dramatically improve.

 

[FixNFly]

Only 6 airplanes in and out of ATL during the day, two of which end up in the SLC system. Pretty hard to tell how good we do compared to anyone else with that few flights in ATL. Take the whole system with hubs in ORD, SFO, LAX, SLC, and DEN with 1800-plus flights in a day for 3 code shares to get a better idea of what goes on. ATL is a drop in the bucket.

Which is exactly why ASA's numbers suck. ATL is basically 50% of our departures & that's why our numbers are so bad. If you look at operations out of CVG vs ATL we are around 90% on-time in CVG vs 65% (or lower) out of ATL. Granted that's because CVG's operation actually makes sense and they draw from a different pool of workers.

But the main thing is our numbers will not improve until Delta gives us a schedule that is realistic, not one that requires the precision of a Swiss watch.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Let's not forget who really saves ASA's butt in on time performace. The outstations that can actually turn an aircraft in 20 minutes help to get us back on schedule more than anything it seems.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Let's not forget who really saves ASA's butt in on time performace. The outstations that can actually turn an aircraft in 20 minutes help to get us back on schedule more than anything it seems.

Except for BWI

 

[Skywest Pylot]

It doesn't matter what any of us thinks. Skywest management will do whatever they want (within the limits of ASA's contract). Probably not good for us to argue over something we can't control. Concrats to the ASA pilots on their new contract and good luck!

 

[wms]

Yeah, because SkyWest never flies into ORD, EWR, ATL, GVG, IAD, BWI, DFW, IAH, HOU or DEN/SLC in the winter.

Your argument is flawed, SkyWest has better performance in ATL than any other DCI carrier.

I wonder if you've been to ATL to see the difference? SKYW and the other outside DCI carriers park one airplane at one gate with one ground crew and lots of turn-time. ASA parks three planes at one gate with maybe one full crew and 40 minute scheduled turn times.

PS: Delta handles 100% of ASA's ATL ground ops and almost 100% of our delays are due in some part to ground ops (fuel, catering, cleaning, boarding, etc). In fact ASA pilots showed DAL just how much they cover DAL's butt in ATL by staying on top ground ops during turns. All they had to do was stop micro-managing the ground support of their airplanes and wait for people to do their jobs and the operation imploded. Performance is not good in ATL, but without engaged pilots, it's even worse.
DAL sees the difference in the operations that have jetways, that's why C concourse is going all jetway next year.

 

[Tarzan]

One thing I believe that will help us tremendously is that Delta has begun to fire rampers without warning. You get caught screwing around.... See ya!

I got a bug wash twice and never asked for one last week! Never had to call for fuel, water, lav dumps, or catering once. We'll see if it continues though.

 

[yahooair]

Just got confirmation from Bombardier, no 900s we're ever suposed to go to ASA..looks like some bitter pilot started this rumour or it could have been people at the top trying to pressure ASA pilots. But looks like there were never plans for ASA to get those 900s.

 

[jetracer5]

Just got confirmation from Bombardier, no 900s we're ever suposed to go to ASA..looks like some bitter pilot started this rumour or it could have been people at the top trying to pressure ASA pilots. But looks like there were never plans for ASA to get those 900s.

How would Bombardier know where the planes were headed after Delta took delivery?

 

[79%N1]

Just got confirmation from Bombardier, no 900s we're ever suposed to go to ASA..looks like some bitter pilot started this rumour or it could have been people at the top trying to pressure ASA pilots. But looks like there were never plans for ASA to get those 900s.

100% B.S. False

Nice try, though. You, sir are misinformed.

 

[ohplease!]

Just got confirmation from Bombardier, no 900s we're ever suposed to go to ASA..looks like some bitter pilot started this rumour or it could have been people at the top trying to pressure ASA pilots. But looks like there were never plans for ASA to get those 900s.

I seem to remember Jerry Atkin himself sitting in the C lounge saying those planes were coming to ASA unless we would not agree to fly them for less like Skywest pilots would.

 

[Morning Wood]

Which is exactly why ASA's numbers suck. ATL is basically 50% of our departures & that's why our numbers are so bad. If you look at operations out of CVG vs ATL we are around 90% on-time in CVG vs 65% (or lower) out of ATL. Granted that's because CVG's operation actually makes sense and they draw from a different pool of workers.

But the main thing is our numbers will not improve until Delta gives us a schedule that is realistic, not one that requires the precision of a Swiss watch.

The schedules in SLC are no better. On Tuesday, Wednesday, and Saturday, the schedule is reduced a bunch. Planes come in and sit and have to be moved off the gate to the hangar or deice pads. Then either a crew or mx has to move them back when they go out later. Someone in ATL thought this was a good idea on paper, but it's a pain in the ass. I don't think Delta is doing either one of us any favors.

 

[XPOO]

I know it has already been said but I think you're gonna see the ASA numbers dramatically improve.

So you mean now that you have a TA you are all going to act like "professionals" again? No havoc? No more write every little thing up?

Ramp ops in ATL will just change overnight?

821SK will magically reappear sans SkyWest Anniversary paint job and in ASA livery?

SkyWest will leave ATL, and ASA will move back into SLC?

Call me skeptical, but I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Crash Pad]

Back on topic. SKYW will not close ATL. This is just floated to ensure that we vote yes on the contract.

 

[sweptback]

Back on topic. SKYW will not close ATL. This is just floated to ensure that we vote yes on the contract.

One person that gets it.

 

[John Pennekamp]

It's very simple. ASA has a TA. It includes one rate for -700/-900 flying. It's no longer economical to staff these -900s with satellite SkyWest crews. No more need to scare ASA pilots with Skywest -900s.

Your -900s are ours. Cheers.

 

[Skywest Pylot]

So you mean now that you have a TA you are all going to act like "professionals" again? No havoc? No more write every little thing up?

Ramp ops in ATL will just change overnight?

821SK will magically reappear sans SkyWest Anniversary paint job and in ASA livery?

SkyWest will leave ATL, and ASA will move back into SLC?

Call me skeptical, but I'll believe it when I see it.

When people believe they are being dealt with dishonestly, they don't put in the "extra effort" required to keep things running smoothly. Why do you think the Southwest (union pilots) are so productive? Unfortunately we are starting to see signs of this at Skywest. Take care of your employees and they will take care of you. Skywest management could have kept our ALPA drive from happening but it seems they took just a little too much.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Just got confirmation from Bombardier, no 900s we're ever suposed to go to ASA..looks like some bitter pilot started this rumour or it could have been people at the top trying to pressure ASA pilots. But looks like there were never plans for ASA to get those 900s.

You are sort of correct. Those were ASA's orders, placed by Delta, before scope allowed them to be -900's. The -900's were a conversion of an existing order. The conversion may have taken place after the purchase agreement.

Also understand that Bombardier's folks will be VERY careful never to say anything that might be construed as painting their biggest customer in a bad light.

 

[Speedtape]

When people believe they are being dealt with dishonestly, they don't put in the "extra effort" required to keep things running smoothly. Why do you think the Southwest (union pilots) are so productive? Unfortunately we are starting to see signs of this at Skywest. Take care of your employees and they will take care of you. Skywest management could have kept our ALPA drive from happening but it seems they took just a little too much.

That's a great point! That is exactly what happend here, or so I've heard.

There is a well known overnight package company that has built an empire in the service industry with one simple philosophy: "PEOPLE, SERVICE, PROFITS!"

Invest in and take care of your employees, with good processes they will be motivated to deliver a high level of service, and this should result in the greatest potential for profits! Then the circle starts over! It has been proven!

 

[CFI2766]

It's very simple. ASA has a TA. It includes one rate for -700/-900 flying. It's no longer economical to staff these -900s with satellite SkyWest crews. No more need to scare ASA pilots with Skywest -900s.

Your -900s are ours. Cheers.

Our -900s are once again ours! Cheers!

 

[wms]

all your 900 are belong to us

 

[Beergut]

Yeah, because SkyWest never flies into ORD, EWR, ATL, GVG, IAD, BWI, DFW, IAH, HOU or DEN/SLC in the winter.

Your argument is flawed, SkyWest has better performance in ATL than any other DCI carrier.

How many flights does SkyWest have out of ATL compared to ASA? ASA has a helluva lot more oppurtunities to be delayed. I think it's Delta's fault for the schedules with 40 minute turns in ATL with A/C swaps. One hiccup and that plane and/or crew is delayed for the rest of the day.

 

[ohplease!]

How many flights does SkyWest have out of ATL compared to ASA? ASA has a helluva lot more oppurtunities to be delayed. I think it's Delta's fault for the schedules with 40 minute turns in ATL with A/C swaps. One hiccup and that plane and/or crew is delayed for the rest of the day.

you can blame the schedule on Delta but you HAVE to place ALL the blame for A/C swaps and 40 Min. turns in ATL on our very own incompetents.

 

[10nCLR]

Yeah, because SkyWest never flies into ORD, EWR, ATL, GVG, IAD, BWI, DFW, IAH, HOU or DEN/SLC in the winter.

Your argument is flawed, SkyWest has better performance in ATL than any other DCI carrier.

Oh and don't forget about SFO, LAX and PHL.

 

[~~~^~~~]

you can blame the schedule on Delta but you HAVE to place ALL the blame for A/C swaps and 40 Min. turns in ATL on our very own incompetents.

Delta does it with their airplanes, so the assumption in management is that Connection should be able to do it. For some reason the restraints on Connection have not been communicated up the chain.

Considerations / Tools:

• Boarding without pilots - using external power and air
• One pilot does the shut down while the other pilot runs to get the next airplane ready
• ACARS and automated weight and balance

We know SkyWest looked at the automated weight and balance as part of an electronic flight bag deal and the reported savings was in large part due to reduced turn times.

 

[BCpilot81]

No matter what the case is with this RUMOR,
I would hate to see our fellow pilots (ASA or SKYW). Settle into a domicile and then after just a few months, have it taken away. As far as the 90 seaters, I am one of those that believes that Delta puts the 90's where they want them. Regardless of operating cost. Which always comes down to pilot pay (even though it is a very small percentage of overall operating expenditure). Good Luck to all SKYW pilots, and everyone else who flies with a "Widget" on their tails.

 

[Tomct]

No matter what the case is with this RUMOR,
I would hate to see our fellow pilots (ASA or SKYW). Settle into a domicile and then after just a few months, have it taken away. As far as the 90 seaters, I am one of those that believes that Delta puts the 90's where they want them. Regardless of operating cost. Which always comes down to pilot pay (even though it is a very small percentage of overall operating expenditure). Good Luck to all SKYW pilots, and everyone else who flies with a "Widget" on their tails.

Oh...you mean like closing DFW and then a year and a half later SLC and following THAT...LAX after 6 months. Something like THAT! Don't even talk too us about closing bases....we wrote the book on that and oh by the way....two of the 3 closures were Jerry's idea!

 

[BCpilot81]

Hey man, take it easy. I completely agree with u. All that I am saying is that going into a domicile for any of US at ASA, or any othe carrier. You would hope that would not change. But the nature of our business dictates that is a mandatory risk. I absolutely know that Jerry is the reason for our displacements from SLC, and LAX. The DFW grandure that I unfortunately missed, but I think that us at regional, or any other airline, or line of work for that matter that are faced with the fact of a possible involuntary move, is stressful. Let alone the stress of dealing with an underpaid job. As I said, we all take the risk. I just hate to see it bite a fellow pilot, let alone their families in the rear. Skywest pilots are no less or more than we are. We have gotten the short end of the stick with life changes as far as domiciles. But you know how it felt to move, why not be sorry for the others that have to go through it, or possibly go through it. Tomcat, we are all in the same boat my friend.