Trans States Getting ATRs

[OzBushWhacker]

Remember that when the last plastic embraer or CRJ are retired.... they will pick up the crew in a turboprop!

 

[Inconceivable]

Kids--

he didn't say ALTITUDES he said LATITUDES

those lines on a globe?

at not so subtle reference to ATR icing and Roselawn, IL.

for those of you who have not been in aviation more than a minute

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Foxcow, Saluki was referring to ATR's famed(if not overblown) lawn dart reputation when in iciing...

Way overblown. Flew 'em in the ice and it does just fine.

 

[BoilerUP]

Kids--

he didn't say ALTITUDES he said LATITUDES

those lines on a globe?

at not so subtle reference to ATR icing and Roselawn, IL.

for those of you who have not been in aviation more than a minute

"It's those changes in latitudes, changes in attitudes
Nothing remains quite the same
With all of our running and all of our cunning,
If we couldn't laugh, we would all go insane."

 

[Cpt Oveur]

the ATR made major modifications after the American Eagle accident from what I read. The de-ice boots were totally redesigned, and placed further back along the leading edge. Mountain Air Cargo and other Fedex Feeders fly them into northern states all the time, although mostly we've gone to aiports in latin america and south america with them. It's a great airplane either way. burns a heck of a lot less fuel than the Dash 8-400.

 

[Foxcow]

Kids--

he didn't say ALTITUDES he said LATITUDES

those lines on a globe?

at not so subtle reference to ATR icing and Roselawn, IL.

for those of you who have not been in aviation more than a minute

I guess I saw what I wanted to see. I feel like an ass...

 

[siucavflight]

I guess I saw what I wanted to see. I feel like an ass...

Yeah me too. But the ATR does fine in ice, as long as you are not holding, with flaps and below holding airspeed in severe icing for 20 minutes.

 

[QuasarZ]

I would love to fly an ATR... uncle flew those years ago, said they were a blast!

 

[acaTerry]

If you fly any airplane in severe icing conditions for 20 minutes with your flaps down, below the recommended icing speed, and not turn on the airframe deice for the first 5 minutes... of course it will turn into a lawn dart when you lose it and attempt a 3 G pullout at 125kts above VMO.

Definitely an overblown reputation. Especially, when you consider the mistakes made and the modifications that have been made since.

...and how about the fires then?

 

[acaTerry]

That HK, what a cheap outfit he runs, he'd fly AN-2 Colts if he could get away with it.

 

[Beechnut]

Ummmm oldtimer..... that Eagle ATR crash was in Indiana.
S.

Kids--

he didn't say ALTITUDES he said LATITUDES

those lines on a globe?

at not so subtle reference to ATR icing and Roselawn, IL.

for those of you who have not been in aviation more than a minute

 

[ASApuppy]

ATR is doing a tour of their 72-500 across North America right now. I have a friend helping them out with their Dog and Pony shows. They are planning on meeting with at least 20 airlines in the next 2 weeks. My friend actually likes the aircraft and told me its quieter than the CRJ with the new 6 bladed prop. Huge difference over the current version at ASA. Plus, ATR is trying to ride the momentum of $83 oil and a rash of gear failures on the Dash 8.

 

[WSurf]

ATR is trying to ride the momentum of $83 oil and a rash of gear failures on the Dash 8.

If only they had installed a APU for some bleed air while on the ground. Other then that, I think it is a solid airplane..

Plus its 5 million dollars less then the Q400's

 

[~~~^~~~]

The ATR is a good airplane and out sold the CRJ this year at Paris. Something between 1/2 and 1/3 the fuel for the same block time while going 150 knots slower with a big cabin and much less restrictive load carrying ability. Around the ASA system the ATR could do most of the flying under 400NM within minutes of the RJ's block and it could take advantage of its short field abilities to take intersection take offs to avoid departure delays out of ATL.

It is a shame the US airlines do nothing to promote these turboprops as "unducted fan jets" or something that makes the passengers like them. After all the ATR spews 1/3rd the pollution of a 50 seat RJ and is more comfortable. It seems the passengers would love them if they understood what the airplane does.

As for the ice. The ATR does just fine. It isn't a jet and can not rely on the SAT / TAT spread - so it does pick up ice. But, the anti icing system is easily up to the task of keeping the airplane clean.

 

[dingo222]

The need to redesign the thing and add an apu. It sounds like the ATR people are trying to cut into some of the q400 sales. I think I read that every q400 made in the next 3 years has already been paid for via orders or options. I'm sure the ATR people would like to cut into that with the 72-500