CAL scope

[Blue Moon]

From a recent internal memo at RAH...

What is our plan with the CRJs? Will we have them on a long-term basis? Can you confirm we’ll only have them for two years? Will we grow our relationship with CO? Were the CRJs parked in the desert before we took them?

It is not our intention to operate the CRJs on a long-term basis. Unlike our usual approach, we did not buy the CRJs, we leased all 24.

We would have preferred to operate our CO fleet exclusively with the ERJ 145, but not enough were available as we began our relationship with CO, which required 50-seat jets.

We believe CO will obtain scope relief by sometime in 2008 – we hope to be able to substitute larger RJs for the CRJs at that point.

Something to remember in your contract negotiations...the scavengers are already licking their chops in anticipation of you easing scope so they can take your flying.

 

[LJDRVR]

From a recent internal memo at RAH...

Something to remember in your contract negotiations...the scavengers are already licking their chops in anticipation of you easing scope so they can take your flying.

Yeah, we know. No SCOPE relief. Period. Not one seat.

CAL can lease or puchase as many 170/190's as they like, but it will be with Continental pilots flying them

 

[tie1on]

to the rah so called professionals. don't count on flying anything larger than 50 seats. there is a scope clause that will become more restrictive. the cal pilots are not willing to assist in you lowering your career expectations. no one should have to work for 20 an hour flying a multi million dollar jet

 

[Jonny Sacko]

I think that's what the person pasting it on here, was saying.

 

[Whiskerbizkit]

to the rah so called professionals. don't count on flying anything larger than 50 seats. there is a scope clause that will become more restrictive. the cal pilots are not willing to assist in you lowering your career expectations. no one should have to work for 20 an hour flying a multi million dollar jet

But 29hr is ok?

 

[LJDRVR]

No, it isn't. But we're fixing that very soon with contract 08".

What the poster was probably getting at was the regionals should be stepping stones, where pilots flew BE99's Saab's and Metroliners to build experience for a legacy carrier. Short-sighted pilots in the early nineties allowed the RJ's on property. Hopefully we have learned from their mistakes.

 

[Captain Overs]

Yeah, we know. No SCOPE relief. Period. Not one seat.

CAL can lease or puchase as many 170/190's as they like, but it will be with Continental pilots flying them

I can't wait to see those rates!

 

[LJDRVR]

I can't wait to see those rates!

Sure thing:

www.airlinepilotcentral.com

Small narrow body, the same pay rates we had for the DC-9's. Say, haven't you got some retiree sort of activity to do, like shuffleboard or applying hemorroid medication or pontificating like a know-it-all on some internet bulletin board.....oh wait; nevermind.

 

[Jetjockey]

"We believe CO will obtain scope relief by sometime in 2008 – we hope to be able to substitute larger RJs for the CRJs at that point."

Mr. Bedford also believes that people shouldn't have sex before marriage. I wouldn't believe everything the 'preacher' sells to the congregation.

 

[d.fitz]

How about a source for that post? That is TOTAL BS that this is an internal memo. It's flamebait...

No one that I know wants to operate larger airplanes for CO (although management would like it). So, the real question is, are you guys going to cave collectively? Show us the way. We would all rather be on a majors' seniority list...

 

[BigMeat]

But 29hr is ok?

You can fix the 29hr pay, but you cant get your flying back. Any scope relief and I am voting a big fat NO!

 

[pkober]

But 29hr is ok?

WTFO !!! It's 30/hr now.

It will get fixed in 08. We now have too many pilots working here who have worked under better contract at other carriers. We will make sure we get a better contract.

No scope relief..

 

[thor2j]

It's always funny that CAL gets all the shi_ for its first year pay yet AA, UAL, US Air, NWA, UPS, and more are all less then $35/ hr first year. What gives???

 

[ClubORD]

It's just something to talk about here. Although the lack of insurance for new hires for the first six months is total BS. However, there are many options to choose from that are not expensive to cover you during this time.

Many of the complaints people have about this place are going to be fixed come next year with the new contract. I made the jump to CAL looking long term and I have no regrets

 

[geshields]

It's always funny that CAL gets all the shi_ for its first year pay yet AA, UAL, US Air, NWA, UPS, and more are all less then $35/ hr first year. What gives???

Just thought I would present facts...1st year pay at other airlines from airlinepilotcentral.com

AA $35
CAL $31
DAL $49
NWA $30
UAL $32
USAIR $25-$41
AIRTRAN $43
ALASKA $35
JBLU $47
SWA $52

 

[nimtz]

How about a source for that post? That is TOTAL BS that this is an internal memo. It's flamebait...

No one that I know wants to operate larger airplanes for CO (although management would like it). So, the real question is, are you guys going to cave collectively? Show us the way. We would all rather be on a majors' seniority list...

Our pilot group has told LK that scope is non-negotiable many times. I don't expect that to change easily so Bedford can go to hell for all I care. I certainly hope you guys are willing to fight for significant raises next time the contract comes up.

 

[Palomino]

Our pilot group has told LK that scope is non-negotiable many times. I don't expect that to change easily so Bedford can go to hell for all I care. I certainly hope you guys are willing to fight for significant raises next time the contract comes up.

the Cliff Notes version in red sums it up for me

 

[Deerkiller]

Since our scope policy is the only thing that is strong in our contract, no one is willing to give it up. It'll never happen. Scope is something this pilot group has stood very strong and united on.

 

[CAL EWR B737]

Give up scope no way. Everything in our contract needs to be enhanced including SCOPE. Our scope section was written by the scope pope Mike Abraham's from ALPA's general counsel. He is the best of the best. He will negotiate our new scope clause. I am only interested in a FED EX type of contract not a Mesa type!

 

[CA1900]

Just thought I would present facts...1st year pay at other airlines from airlinepilotcentral.com

Don't forget NJA at $130/hr!


Of course, that's only because I'm on salary and flew 300 hours in the past year...