Flight Options Vacation Changes

[jetwash]

The new Flight Options vacation changes are going to have a negative impact on my family vacation plans.

I can almost assure that it will also have a NEGATIVE impact on the Flight Options owners vacations during Labor Day, Thanksgiving, Christmas etc......:angryfire

 

[justmeinmsp]

Oh snap!!!!!!!!!!

 

[dime line]

Oh snap!!!!!!!!!!

Let the games begin!!!!!! What do you think B19, how were the games at Eastern?

 

[Phoenix]

Lipstick on a pig

Well management said that they were going to discontinue forced vacation that was instituted because of over staffing because we were no longer over staffed. Guess what they not only didn't end the forced vacation, they now screw you even more after they force you to take it. With the original shove it down your throat forced program, after we were through burning OUR vacation we went back on our original schedule. Now if we get vacation either forced or bid, we are assigned additional un bid, unwanted vacation later in the year. Following bid or forced vacation the company WILL realign our schedule. Thereby screwing up any planing you may have done via your original schedule. Additionally with our old system if we took bid or forced vacation for one rotation we could plan for 22 consecutive days off. Now the company can reset you schedule following your forced or bid vacation and eliminate the week off you would have had on your original schedule. Using this policy following the 2 vacation events with each forced or bid award, the company can get 11 additional work days from each pilot......Don't you just love our management that cares so much for our well being.

In typical management style they lied about what they were doing with this latest forced vacation crap taking a already unfair and abusive program and making it worse. SAME OLD SH!T!!!

Management can put lipstick all over this pig but its still just a pig. :uzi:

I hope this will be a wake up call to all those Options pilots that have been holding back their support because they still thought management did give a sh!t about us. Open your eyes, smell the coffee, get your head out of the dark smelly place you have it and get on board with you fellow pilots. We will eventually get a contrant done with or without you. But with you, with us all working to motivate management it will be quicker.

 

[Crobar]

You all are in a tough spot, maybe the only thing you have left to do is ground the fleet and take your chances on the company going tits up, or the management will agree on a fair contract.

 

[Just Peachy]

contract.

You all are in a tough spot, maybe the only thing you have left to do is ground the fleet and take your chances on the company going tits up, or the management will agree on a fair contract.

Bingo... we have a winner !

Thats what we had to do..and it worked!

 

[skyismyoffice]

You all are in a tough spot, maybe the only thing you have left to do is ground the fleet and take your chances on the company going tits up, or the management will agree on a fair contract.

That would be illegal right now!

I do feel kind of sick though...

 

[jetwash]

That would be illegal right now!

I do feel kind of sick though...

You are right, we can't legally do that now.

We just have to do our job very carefully. I will check every screw to make sure it is there and properly fastened before the aircraft takes off. I want the owners to have the safest aircraft they can during the peak travel days!!!!!

Plus if I am not fully rested after my short vacation I will just have to call in fatigue since they deserve a well rested pilot.

 

[Jaike1]

Good luck guys! I still have a bunch of buds at FLOPS. I wish the best for all you guys.

What happened to status quo?

 

[skyismyoffice]

No such thing as status quo when you don't have a contract in place.

Via an email from our VP Ops. all our fears were confirmed. We are basically all getting 12 days of confirmed vacation (whether we want it or not). That's the good news...The bad news is that the company can (and will) shift out schedule whenever they want to suit their needs.

The only thing we had left - our predictable 8/7 schedule (most of us) has been taken away. The real kicker is that many (including myself) have already bought airline tickets/made other plans for the holidays and beyond based on our 'set in stone' schedules. As of Sept. 30 that can all change.

If this doesn't rally the minority of our group who are still drinkin the Kool-Aid to show support, I don't know what will.

 

[Phoenix]

Meeting today

I suggest that we all, myself included, wait until our Chairman has a meeting today with management before we comment further on this. I'm sure that he will have a report on what he learns at this meeting.

 

[skyismyoffice]

I agree, but I'm not expecting anything to change. Until we get a contract this new vacation - I mean scheduling policy will likely stay. People in the know have been saying" it's only going to get worse before it gets better". I think I see what they mean.

I really am starting to worry that Shawn Michael is going to run this place into the ground before we can negotiate a contract.

 

[dash_trash]

...I really am starting to worry that Shawn Michael is going to run this place into the ground before we can negotiate a contract.

His track record, or lack thereof, speaks for its self.

 

[TheBigMan]

bump

bump!

 

[skyismyoffice]

The word I'm getting is that this vacation thing has really been a shot in the arm for Union solidarity. I guess last week the Union got a flood of dues checks in - some guys paying all back dues to get current. I guess some times a bad thing can turn out to be a good thing.

 

[HSDriver]

Its a blessing in desguise

The word I'm getting is that this vacation thing has really been a shot in the arm for Union solidarity. I guess last week the Union got a flood of dues checks in - some guys paying all back dues to get current. I guess some times a bad thing can turn out to be a good thing.

With shifted schedules, we'll be flying with new/different pilots and will be able to spread the word about how to fly safe to those that need educated!

 

[Tanker1497]

Good point HSDriver...

However, if I find myself being forced to work 1, let alone 4 days more than the 8 I'm scheduled for, funny how the head cold virus always rears it's ugly head.

 

[jetwash]

I think I got a virus from the Internet.

It looks like I will have to call in sick tomorrow

 

[skyismyoffice]

80%+

I just heard today that we have over 80% paying dues now. Anyone confirm?

If 80% ain't a good strike force, I don't know what is.

 

[ProFracPilot]

I just heard today that we have over 80% paying dues now. Anyone confirm?

If we have 8% or 80% of the pilots paying dues, you're not going to learn it here. It is not in the best interest of our cause to publicly reveal that number.

 

[captham]

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[Fedmagnet]

If your looking for someone to blame for slowing the process of getting a fair contract. Do not blame the union. The Union has asked the pilots to follow a few simple guidelines like:
1. Do not work overtime.
2. Do not do anything illegal for or against the company.
3. Register as a member and pay your dues.
4. Be professional.

Here is just some of the July overtime offenders:

Beechjet
Jeffrey Baylor
Scott Dunn
Doug Wrobel
Christopher Marasovich
Darrell Bird
Tom Shultz
Tyrone Graham
Gregory Myers
Donald Winden
Samuel Vincent
Jonathan Hixson
Daniel Windedahl
Christopher Smith
Todd Insalaco
Randall Reel
Fred Shirley
William Hardley
Samuel Johnson

Hawker
Thomas Parks
Paul Chupek
John Stehwein
Gordon Rhoades
Jim Hughes

Legacy
Patrick Dean
David Amsdell
Michael Mahan
Brian Groenhout
Jack Weigand
James Johnson
Chuck Brace
Brian Logan

Be sure to thank these pilots for thinking of themselves and slowing the process of getting a contract settled in a timely manner.

When one pilot was asked why he was working all the overtime he could get, seniority number 1 was quoted to say; "I am high enough in seniority that a layoff will not effect me!" It is this kind of thinking that will delay a contract for eternity.

 

[greygoose]

If your looking for someone to blame for slowing the process of getting a fair contract. Do not blame the union. The Union has asked the pilots to follow a few simple guidelines like:
1. Do not work overtime.
2. Do not do anything illegal for or against the company.
3. Register as a member and pay your dues.
4. Be professional.

I guess you are following the rules yourself by following number 4. "Be professional." That is going too far by posting names of people working OT. People have their own reasons of why they need to work OT.
I am sorry but if I needed the money at home, my family would come first...

 

[Dep676]

If your looking for someone to blame for slowing the process of getting a fair contract. Do not blame the union. The Union has asked the pilots to follow a few simple guidelines like:
1. Do not work overtime.
2. Do not do anything illegal for or against the company.
3. Register as a member and pay your dues.
4. Be professional.

Here is just some of the July overtime offenders:

Beechjet
Jeffrey Baylor
Scott Dunn
Doug Wrobel
Christopher Marasovich
Darrell Bird
Tom Shultz
Tyrone Graham
Gregory Myers
Donald Winden
Samuel Vincent
Jonathan Hixson
Daniel Windedahl
Christopher Smith
Todd Insalaco
Randall Reel
Fred Shirley
William Hardley
Samuel Johnson

Hawker
Thomas Parks
Paul Chupek
John Stehwein
Gordon Rhoades
Jim Hughes

Legacy
Patrick Dean
David Amsdell
Michael Mahan
Brian Groenhout
Jack Weigand
James Johnson
Chuck Brace
Brian Logan

Be sure to thank these pilots for thinking of themselves and slowing the process of getting a contract settled in a timely manner.

When one pilot was asked why he was working all the overtime he could get, seniority number 1 was quoted to say; "I am high enough in seniority that a layoff will not effect me!" It is this kind of thinking that will delay a contract for eternity.

I am sure you know that these people are all working voluntary OT?? Do you know some people do get forced OT? I know some are but how do you know which ones are.

Also like was said before, be a professional. Can you say HYPOCRITE??????

Before you try and bash. I am a dues paying member. Are you??? You are being bashed on our own IBT board. That is if you are really a Options pilot.

What a FRICKIN LOSER!!!!! Way to bring the fence sitters over. Guys like you are driving the wedge deeper between the fence sitters and the union. You are the reason why people have a bad taste for unions.

GROW UP A$$HOLE!!!!

 

[The Great One]

I am sure you know that these people are all working voluntary OT?? Do you know some people do get forced OT? I know some are but how do you know which ones are.

Also like was said before, be a professional. Can you say HYPOCRITE??????

Before you try and bash. I am a dues paying member. Are you??? You are being bashed on our own IBT board. That is if you are really a Options pilot.

What a FRICKIN LOSER!!!!! Way to bring the fence sitters over. Guys like you are driving the wedge deeper between the fence sitters and the union. You are the reason why people have a bad taste for unions.

GROW UP A$$HOLE!!!!

I agree, what a morron !!!!
and here's the kicker, the list is actually missing some people

either way, that's acting way below what management is doing to us

 

[400pilot]

That is going too far by posting names of people working OT. People have their own reasons of why they need to work OT.

My name isn't on that list, however, I did OT in July. I took some financial hits this year that were out of my control. I thought I could pull out of it but ended up with my mortgage (among other things) being 3 months delinquent. At that point, I had not done a day of OT in 2 years. I did some (5 days) to save myself and my family from financial disaster. Now, I've pretty much recovered and don't do anymore. I apologize to no one and would love to have any of you try and give me 5hit about it. I could use such a great stress relief.....

 

[The Great One]

My name isn't on that list, however, I did OT in July. I took some financial hits this year that were out of my control. I thought I could pull out of it but ended up with my mortgage (among other things) being 3 months delinquent. At that point, I had not done a day of OT in 2 years. I did some (5 days) to save myself and my family from financial disaster. Now, I've pretty much recovered and don't do anymore. I apologize to no one and would love to have any of you try and give me 5hit about it. I could use such a great stress relief.....

OT mutha fudga

agreed with you on that one (not just because I know who you are.....)
some people need OT to survive (like guys on the flex for example), but when pics do it just to stay away from their wives or buy a 3rd house or boat, hell no. Pay your dues and then you'll afford those things easily

 

[dash_trash]

Here is just some of the July overtime offenders:

Read the whole post and it states right up front that it is a partial list. My guess would be that these are people that do OT on a regular basis.

OT among a pilot group is always an area were there is resistance. Some depend on it, others like it, but the truth is, if this company were properly staffed they would not be sending requests for OT each week. If someone needs a day due to some unusual circumstance ... I could let that slide.

Habitual OT workers ... live within your means ... YOU are costing ME and MY family an increase in OUR quality of life due to your selfishness!

Dues payed and a proud supporter of the 1108.

 

[skyismyoffice]

Read the whole post and it states right up front that it is a partial list. My guess would be that these are people that do OT on a regular basis.

OT among a pilot group is always an area were there is resistance. Some depend on it, others like it, but the truth is, if this company were properly staffed they would not be sending requests for OT each week. If someone needs a day due to some unusual circumstance ... I could let that slide.

Habitual OT workers ... live within your means ... YOU are costing ME and MY family an increase in OUR quality of life due to your selfishness!

Dues payed and a proud supporter of the 1108.

I agree that guys regularly doing OT may not be helping, but it's still not cool to post names. It may not be just a matter of living within their means, there may be some big time issues requiring the OT. Lets not bash people based on a list published here. If you have an issue with someone, do the decent thing and talk to them one-on-one.

I really hope this is a post by management...

 

[WabiSabi]

Hey dip-poop, You're not helping the union effort with your idiocy by posting names. You're a detriment to solidarity. You are contributing to the slowing of our contract as much as those that are doing OT.

Folks, the posting of these names is in no way sanctioned by IBT local 1108. Our logo says "Professional Aviators". Not "Knee Jerk Morons"

If your looking for someone to blame for slowing the process of getting a fair contract. Do not blame the union. The Union has asked the pilots to follow a few simple guidelines like:
1. Do not work overtime.
2. Do not do anything illegal for or against the company.
3. Register as a member and pay your dues.
4. Be professional.

Here is just some of the July overtime offenders:

Beechjet
Jeffrey Baylor
Scott Dunn
Doug Wrobel
Christopher Marasovich
Darrell Bird
Tom Shultz
Tyrone Graham
Gregory Myers
Donald Winden
Samuel Vincent
Jonathan Hixson
Daniel Windedahl
Christopher Smith
Todd Insalaco
Randall Reel
Fred Shirley
William Hardley
Samuel Johnson

Hawker
Thomas Parks
Paul Chupek
John Stehwein
Gordon Rhoades
Jim Hughes

Legacy
Patrick Dean
David Amsdell
Michael Mahan
Brian Groenhout
Jack Weigand
James Johnson
Chuck Brace
Brian Logan

Be sure to thank these pilots for thinking of themselves and slowing the process of getting a contract settled in a timely manner.

When one pilot was asked why he was working all the overtime he could get, seniority number 1 was quoted to say; "I am high enough in seniority that a layoff will not effect me!" It is this kind of thinking that will delay a contract for eternity.