Concerned Mom Won't Fly with Arabs (who train Marines)

[airspeedsalive]

You sir, are lost in a liberal, P.C. dream.

 

[Flyer1015]

You sir, are lost in a liberal, P.C. dream.

And you, sir, are angry because you can't get that "Bush/Cheney '04" sticker off your bumper.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Great points!

Until the "moderate" Muslims of the world stand up and denounce the actions of the "radical" Muslims to the world, Americans will distrust (and rightfully so) ALL Muslims.

But you know what happens? Everytime something hideous happens to Americans, i.e. 9/11, the moderate Muslims just keep their pie-holes shut. Many, in fact, literally dance in the streets that "the Great Satan" has gotten what it has deserved. Even in Kuwait, the country we saved from rape, pillage, and plunder in 1991, 66% say "we got we deserved," in the 9/11 attacks. Only 16% of Iraqi civilians now support the American campaign.

Even Japanese-Americans have publically expressed shame for the actions of their WWII Japanese ancestors. The South Koreans were publically horrified, ashamed, and disgraced by the actions of the Virginia Tech psycho.

So where is the public outrage from all the Muslims? IT DOESN'T EXIST!!!

So, is it any wonder that Americans don't trust Muslims? I think not. We're not fukcing idiots. We're Americans. And we know what is most important in this world...and that's looking out for #1. We don't have a choice. No one else in the world gives a damn about us.

Of course, they all want to be like us: America is simultaneously the most most hated, feared, and loved country on the entire planet. They are lined up by the bazillions, TO INCLUDE MILLIONS OF MUSLIMS, trying to gain citizenship to the United States.

This is no flame. It's the truth.

Flamethrowers: Save your effort; I'm not interested in debating fools and tools. I don't have the time. Shove it.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Another one with Great Points!

I agree 100%

I don't see what the fuss is all about. The lady evaluated the situation, decided she didn't like the risk vs reward equation and took action to remove herself and her kids from what she perceived as a potentially dangerous situation. She didn't demand anybody else be removed, she removed herself and her kids. She was uncomfortable and she took responsibility for her own safety. Textbook response if you ask me. Good for her.

I'd like to think of myself as someone that knows a few things about situational awareness. I've spent my entire adult life attempting to hone the skill in one way or another. The scenario described in that story would have set off every alarm bell in my head. Middle eastern males, travelling in a group, not sitting together, appearing to be reconning an airplane, not groomed in a way that matches what they said they were, etc, etc. Based on the information I had, I would be very concerned in that circumstance.

The lady had it right and for the airline to take some time and find out whether or not there was something to be concerned about was very appropriate. As it turns out, they weren't a threat, but how do you know unless you ask the question? I, for one, am not willing to forego my personal safety and the safety of the pax in my charge for the sake of political correctness. If the men in question can't understand that then they have no business being in the profession they are in. Same applies to any of you that want to lable this as profiling. It isn't profiling. It's called paying attention to what's going on around you.

There was enough information present in this situation to make a reasonable person concerned. If you can't see that then you are seriously delusional about the world in which we live.

 

[capt. megadeth]

We're hated by the world because America is viewed us one of the most arrogant countries in the world. Your attitude personifies that very attitude.

Ya, we're hated allright. But anytime another country needs their ass saved by the U.S. all of a sudden we are a$$holes if we don't help. This country is caught between a rock and a hard place. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

[Flyer1015]

Ya, we're hated allright. But anytime another country needs their ass saved by the U.S. all of a sudden we are a$$holes if we don't help. This country is caught between a rock and a hard place. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Africa has needed help for a LONG time, and the US has never bothered with Darfur. Do you know how many MILLIONS have been killed, maimed, and/or displaced?? No one raised a finger for them. Make no mistake... the Bush cowboy (both dad and son) will act for whatever interests best suits the Republican party and oil corporations.


It's beyong me why people have to be paranoid and hate, distrust, and fear all 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Why can't be as Americans just be vigilant? Not paranoid, but vigilant.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Africa has needed help for a LONG time, and the US has never bothered with Darfur. Do you know how many MILLIONS have been killed, maimed, and/or displaced?? No one raised a finger for them. Make no mistake... the Bush cowboy (both dad and son) will act for whatever interests best suits the Republican party and oil corporations.


It's beyong me why people have to be paranoid and hate, distrust, and fearl all 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Why can't be as Americans just be vigilant? Not paranoid, but vigilant.

Uh, don't get me wrong, I don't trust any politician these days, DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, LIBERALS, CONSERVATIVES, ETC. NOT one of them care about you or me.

I know what you are saying dude but I don't think what the lady that got off the airplane did was wrong. It was her gut instinct and we all have the freedoms to do that.

 

[Flyer1015]

Uh, don't get me wrong, I don't trust any politician these days, DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, LIBERALS, CONSERVATIVES, ETC. NOT one of them care about you or me.

I know what you are saying dude but I don't think what the lady that got off the airplane did was wrong. It was her gut instinct and we all have the freedoms to do that.

Well here's the thing, we're getting conflicting sources of information from different sources. All initial reports were that the lady wanted off SIMPLY because they spoke Arabic. And that was it. Now that's being paranoid, not vigilant.

BUT,

now, reports have conflicting information. One is her side, one is the airline's side, and the last is the Arabic guys' side.

I've read all three, and don't know what to think until this is all investigated further and cleared up.

But if everything she is reporting is true, then it sounds like vigilance, and not paranoia.

Then again, you have to wonder if she's starting to sugar coat anything after the fact it was found that they were indeed US citizens training US Marines. Maybe she changed her story that she heard/saw other suspicious things about them, just so it seems she was justified in her decision. Maybe all along, it was all paranoia and just hearing them speak Arabic drove her off the airplane.

We won't know the 100% truth.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Well here's the thing, we're getting conflicting sources of information from different sources. All initial reports were that the lady wanted off SIMPLY because they spoke Arabic. And that was it. Now that's being paranoid, not vigilant.

Regardless, it's her perogative.

If I want to get off an airplane because someone next to me is Mexican, that's my business. Paranoia or not, it's her business.

 

[learflyer]

Africa has needed help for a LONG time, and the US has never bothered with Darfur. Do you know how many MILLIONS have been killed, maimed, and/or displaced?? No one raised a finger for them. Make no mistake... the Bush cowboy (both dad and son) will act for whatever interests best suits the Republican party and oil corporations.


It's beyong me why people have to be paranoid and hate, distrust, and fear all 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Why can't be as Americans just be vigilant? Not paranoid, but vigilant.

Guess we lost our confidence going there after Somalia.......lost a friend..

 

[Flyer1015]

Guess we lost our confidence going there after Somalia.......lost a friend..

There was no decent quantities of oil...

 

[pkober]

Africa has needed help for a LONG time, and the US has never bothered with Darfur. Do you know how many MILLIONS have been killed, maimed, and/or displaced?? No one raised a finger for them. Make no mistake... the Bush cowboy (both dad and son) will act for whatever interests best suits the Republican party and oil corporations.


It's beyong me why people have to be paranoid and hate, distrust, and fear all 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Why can't be as Americans just be vigilant? Not paranoid, but vigilant.

There were 8 years between HW Bush and W Bush. It was called the Clinton years. Nothing was done in Africa during that time. We are always told that Dems are for the minorities, especially during elections. The Bushes didn't, and havent, acted because there is no oil there, right? Why then did Clinton not act? I think there were a few murders in Rowanda during the Clinton years. I'm sure those were Bush's fault also.

Africa has plenty of oil. So with your line of thinking we should be in Africa now.

If Iraq is all about oil, why haven't oild prices dropped? Let me guess, Haliburton is raising prices to make a profit for Cheney.

 

[Flyer1015]

There were 8 years between HW Bush and W Bush. It was called the Clinton years. Nothing was done in Africa during that time. We are always told that Dems are for the minorities, especially during elections. The Bushes didn't, and havent, acted because there is no oil there, right? Why then did Clinton not act? I think there were a few murders in Rowanda during the Clinton years. I'm sure those were Bush's fault also.

Africa has plenty of oil. So with your line of thinking we should be in Africa now.

If Iraq is all about oil, why haven't oild prices dropped? Let me guess, Haliburton is raising prices to make a profit for Cheney.

My point was that although the US gives lots of aid as a superpower, we often don't get involved unless US interests are directly involved. That helps to explain our heavy presence in the Middle East, and virtually none in Africa. Also, investigate the links between Bush and the Saudi Royal family.

 

[learflyer]

There was no decent quantities of oil...

Good point.....

 

[Ex737Driver]

Good point.....

Actually, the US anticipates importing up to 25% of it's oil from Nigeria. Time to invade!!!!