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CherryBomb

CherryBomb

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Well since I get all my news from flightinfo, I may as well contribute this time.

All Avantair FO's got a much needed raise today.

Below is the new pay scale:

Year 1
$35,000.00​
Year 2
$37,000.00​
Year 3
$39,000.00​
Year 4
$41,000.00​
Year 5
$43,000.00​
Year 6
+ COLA​

Per diem remains the same at 2.00 dollars an hour. Upgrade bonus has been eliminated for people hired after 9-1-07. Upgrades still holding at about a year if the FO is "ready".

Thoughts??


CB
 
CherryBomb said:
Well since I get all my news from flightinfo, I may as well contribute this time.

All Avantair FO's got a much needed raise today.

Below is the new pay scale:

Year 1
$35,000.00​
Year 2
$37,000.00​
Year 3
$39,000.00​
Year 4
$41,000.00​
Year 5
$43,000.00​
Year 6
+ COLA​

Per diem remains the same at 2.00 dollars an hour. Upgrade bonus has been eliminated for people hired after 9-1-07. Upgrades still holding at about a year if the FO is "ready".

Thoughts??


CB
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So, if upgrade is one year and upgrade bonus is now gone, the pay is essentially the same? I guess it's nice for anyone who takes more than a year to upgrade though.
 
What was the upgrade bonus? Any idea why it was eliminated? Did the captain pay rates also get raised?
 
If I understand the system correctly the extra-day rate was based on 1.5 x a calculated daily rate. Is the overtime rate also increased or have I misunderstood.
 
Flywrite said:
If I understand the system correctly the extra-day rate was based on 1.5 x a calculated daily rate. Is the overtime rate also increased or have I misunderstood.
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the overtime rate will also increase.....it is calculated by salary/182(the number of days worked per year) X 1.5

so first year fo should get $288.46 per day for overtime
 
Can any of you Avantair folks give any insight into the 'Profit Sharing" mentioned in the APC listing?
 
The_Russian said:
Why does no one talk about the 22,000 dollar training contract? Whats up with that?
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Is that prorated over a 1 or 2 year period (if you leave before the end of that period you need to pay the proportion back)?

Given that upgrades for "ready" FOs take place in about a year or so, what are the Captain rates in year 1 and 2?

Also, are FOs now allowed to land at Class B airports (after the gear-up landing at FLL) or has that reactionary policy remained firm? What's the update on that policy?
 
How about during training? Are you getting a full time salary during training or are you "on your own"? Do they put you up in a hotel during training? Single occupancy? How long does the training take? $22,000 contract does seem a bit excessive, especially since you don't need or get a type rating.

Also, any idea what the pay rate will be for the phenom light jets that are on order. Will they be flown single pilot or crew?
 
johnsonrod said:
Is that prorated over a 1 or 2 year period (if you leave before the end of that period you need to pay the proportion back)?

Given that upgrades for "ready" FOs take place in about a year or so, what are the Captain rates in year 1 and 2?

Also, are FOs now allowed to land at Class B airports (after the gear-up landing at FLL) or has that reactionary policy remained firm? What's the update on that policy?
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It is not prorated.You can also be fired and still owe the $.. 364 days after completion of IOE.
 
My intel was that the training contract is $18000, and is now prorated.

I dont work there, but I was told that while researchin for an upcoming interview.
 
Do you get the typical 2 weeks vacation from day 1?

Does it also work out the way that if you take 1 week off, you basically get 3 weeks off (7off/7on(vacation)/7off)?

Can bases be chosen by the pilots?

Thanks a lot guys.
 
The contract is prorated - always has been. If you leave during your first year you may be responsible for paying back a prorated amount of your training costs. I've only heard about them going after one person who left immediately after training.

Johnsonrod,

The FO policy was changed a long time ago - it's been mentioned on here several times. New FO's need to get some time in the plane before they can fly live legs - the policy is no longer unreasonable.
 
Dilligaff said:
The contract is prorated - always has been. If you leave during your first year you may be responsible for paying back a prorated amount of your training costs. I've only heard about them going after one person who left immediately after training.

Johnsonrod,

The FO policy was changed a long time ago - it's been mentioned on here several times. New FO's need to get some time in the plane before they can fly live legs - the policy is no longer unreasonable.
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I thought the policy also extended to ferrying flights at one point. Glad to see the policy changed.
 
Dilligaff said:
The contract is prorated - always has been. If you leave during your first year you may be responsible for paying back a prorated amount of your training costs. I've only heard about them going after one person who left immediately after training.

It is NOT Prorated you need to reread it.....
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The contract is not pro rated. Read the contract again, unless they have come up with a new contract in the past week or two.
 
If I understand correctly upgrades are 10-12 months. IF that is correct then an FO who upgrades at 10 months would actually make LESS under the new scale.

Old scale=10 months @ $2500/mo=$25,000 + $5000 bonus=$30,000 for 10 months as FO

New scale=10 months @ $2917/mo=$29,170 + $0 bonus=$29170 for 10 months as FO

An 11 month Captain would still make less under the new scale, but not as much as the 10 month guy, and at 1 year it would be even.

IF upgrade were to be less then 10 months then the FO would be out even more on the new scale.

Does this make sense or am I an idiot?
 
Totally makes sense, but I think now most guys are upgrading at 13 months. They are in their grace month for FO currency, then Avantair sends em to Flight Safety for the upgrade.

Thats about what happened to me and most everyone in my class...

Flywrite said:
If I understand correctly upgrades are 10-12 months. IF that is correct then an FO who upgrades at 10 months would actually make LESS under the new scale.

Old scale=10 months @ $2500/mo=$25,000 + $5000 bonus=$30,000 for 10 months as FO

New scale=10 months @ $2917/mo=$29,170 + $0 bonus=$29170 for 10 months as FO

An 11 month Captain would still make less under the new scale, but not as much as the 10 month guy, and at 1 year it would be even.

IF upgrade were to be less then 10 months then the FO would be out even more on the new scale.

Does this make sense or am I an idiot?
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