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jetjockey#1 said:
Is this confirmed? highest SSN = lowest seniority number, did you hear this from a friend of a friend, or you being in class. I also have a dog in this fight. It would mean for me going from the top 3 to the bottom 3...

Thanks.
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Depends on your definition of confirmed but my friend spoke direclty with the Delta MEC rep less than thirty minutes ago and I wrote in my post above almost verbatim what he was told.
 
AirMorgan said:
Did they really get to re-bid? I heard they were going to but that was just a rumor. I haven't seen anything posted on this forum from anyone in the current class.
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This I cannot confirm but I did hear that they did rebid after someone discovered the seniority numbers were being allotted backwards.
 
ACL65PILOT said:
What are you trying to say? That they are going to leave it the way that it is and disregard the CBA, or change it and deal with the lawsuits from the people that were initially senior in each class.
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I'm not trying to say anything seriously. I am sarcastically pleading the case for those with low SS numbers. I, like everyone else hope that the end result is compliance with the CBA.
 
July 16th class bid on A/C assignments based on 0000 being the most senior. Two days later (during the ALPA party) they were told it was backwards and everyone would re-bid. The next day they went back to class, rebid, and moved on. They are going to change the seniority numbers based on 9999 now being the most senior, but they have not yet figured out what to do with A/C assignments and base assignments for the previous 8 classes. Some classes it doesn't make much of a difference because they were all NYC MD-88. Everyone will most likely be where they want to be on the next AE so for most, it isn't a big deal as far as AC and bases go. The seniority is a different story, but they did it with 9999 being the most senior before they stopped hiring on 2001 so they have to switch someone and the newhires are the easiest at this point. I have heard a rumor of removing some seat locks and possibly some sort of compensation for those who went to NYC that should not have went there.
 
Truckdriver said:
The seniority is a different story, but they did it with 9999 being the most senior before they stopped hiring on 2001 so they have to switch someone and the newhires are the easiest at this point.
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Seniority was by age until new hires in 07. Oldest in the class was the most senior. This ssn thing is something new.
 
Agreed Troy Kane is NOT the youngest in my class. I had six younger than me but my last four are 04XX so I was due to the contact on July 1, 2001, the plug for five years three months seven days seven hours and forty five minutes...
 
tbkane said:
Agreed Troy Kane is NOT the youngest in my class. I had six younger than me but my last four are 04XX so I was due to the contact on July 1, 2001, the plug for five years three months seven days seven hours and forty five minutes...
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...but who's counting, right?
 
tbkane said:
the plug for five years three months seven days seven hours and forty five minutes...
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Or 4.65 posts on FI by General Lee for every day you were furloughed.........
 
I was in the 7/2 class...yes, got the call today to inform me that the seniority had been incorrectly assigned and that it would be redone in the next few days. They are reassigning the base awards in our class, but not the equipment awards. So, the ex-junior guys in class are now able to choose ATL if they want, but they are not able to switch aircraft. I was toward the bottom and was going to NYC, but now I am going to ATL. I'm not sure what happened to the ex-senior guys in my class...I know they kept the 737, but I'm not sure if they were able to keep their original base assignment or not.
 
I was #4 in my class and got the NG out of ATL. I came home today to a message from crew support stating my seniority had been adjusted. They said nothing about changing bases or planes.
 
I am curious if they are going to give ATL to the first few classes that were all NYC to begin with. To my knowledge only one guy out of the first three or four classes has been called.
 
So what exactly started this whole process to begin with? I heard it was a new hire that was vocal about his (originally junior) assignment, but who knows what really happened? If that IS the case then he screwed his fellow classmates by changing the way things panned out with many not having a say in the matter as to which aircraft assignment/base preference they would pick. It really creates a huge domino effect in the bid preferences.

As a probationary new hire I personally think I would just keep my mouth shut in class.

I think most people in class are just excited to be there regardless of base assignment. Its a great time to come to Delta!
 
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How does pointing out an error in the interpretation screw your fellow classmates? The people that were originally junior were the ones being screwed. It is much better to catch it now than a couple of years down the line.
 
michael707767 said:
interesting. I just looked at the contract and you are right. Wonder how they will fix this...
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I just got off the phone with DALPA.

Crew Resources made a mistake. DALPA expects the Seniority numbers to be corrected by this weekend and the AE's corrected next week.

I had assumed 0000 would be the best number, but 9999 gives you the best seniority.

I wish you success!
William
AKA Bill
 
They are calling everyone about the seniority numbers. That should be done soon.
Our VP of Ops has made the decision that they are not going to have people change aircraft. If you have and AE you will not be seat locked on it. But if you do not you are stuck where you are with the conversion date that you have.
The change in aircraft basically affects the last four classes. The first four all went to NYC so they will remain there until their original conversion dates. The more recent classes will completely rebid. That said many that had ATL will go to NYC and because they did not have a new bid or AE will not be allowed to convert until the next AE conversion list is posted with a new award. It sucks for those people, I am not sure how they were to put a bid in when they got what they wanted, but that is the story that I have been told.
 
US Flyer said:
So what exactly started this whole process to begin with? I heard it was a new hire that was vocal about his (originally junior) assignment, but who knows what really happened? If that IS the case then he screwed his fellow classmates by changing the way things panned out with many not having a say in the matter as to which aircraft assignment/base preference they would pick. It really creates a huge domino effect in the bid preferences.

As a probationary new hire I personally think I would just keep my mouth shut in class.

I think most people in class are just excited to be there regardless of base assignment. Its a great time to come to Delta!
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Just two points to consider...
1. Even if a new hire pointed this out in class, just remember...ALPA and the company wrote this contract, not that new hire. So this is in no way their fault.

2. Are you saying it's ok for the company to selectively ignore certain parts of the contract? I certainly hope not. Whether you are on probation or not is irrelevant...we must abide by the contract and the company must abide by it.

Like someone said earlier...it's much better this was caught now rather then 500+ newhires later. because no matter when it was caught it would have had to been fixed. For the guys in my class, the ex-senior ones actually made out pretty well in that they took all the 737 awards and are now able to keep them. Something that would have never happened if the seniority had been assigned correctly in the first place. Regardless, there will be another AE in about a week, and everyone is probably going to get the base and A/C they want anyway.

Oh yeah...and everyone in my class is dang excited to be here...but we still have to play by the rules.
 
ACL65,

So since I got the NG in ATL I'll now be going to NYC! That would suck. Especially since I'm all paid up for my crashpad in ATL. I hope what you are saying is not correct. If I do have to go to NYC instead of ATL then I hope the company would give me some kind of compensation for all the preparation I've put into being based in ATL (like renting a crashpad). The owner of my crashpad requires 30 days notice prior to vacating. Losing that months rent would be a huge hit for me since I'm still on training pay till I finish IOE.
 
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I was told this from someone who was in the top three of the original class. The were on the 88 here and then they got a call telling them that they were 88 NYC. On top of it they did not have a award to come back to ATL so they will have to wait until the next one to get an award. Basically they are looking at a Feb. conversion.
For you I hope that it is not true.
 
So, did Ops say they were contacting everyone about their senoirity number changing and or base changing in the last couple of days. If so I'm still waiting on my phone call!!!
 
That is what I was told. I guess that it will take a few days to get through the 160 or so pilots affected.
 
ACL65PILOT said:
That is what I was told. I guess that it will take a few days to get through the 160 or so pilots affected.
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So, people who are on a particular aircraft will NOT be kicked off that plane, but may lose their intial base choice? Is that right? If someone got the 73N (and in reality would have gotten the MD88 NYC had the seniority been correct) in ATL, he/she could now be given a different base? No change in aircraft, only in base? Will this latest class that just started last week be the only one with a change in Aircraft assignments and bases?

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
From what I was told yes, I asked since I would have had a choice in aircraft and would have been converted a lot sooner. They told me that of VP made that decision and no one would be changing aircraft. Sucks for me, but it is what it is.
 
General Lee said:
So, people who are on a particular aircraft will NOT be kicked off that plane, but may lose their intial base choice? Is that right? If someone got the 73N (and in reality would have gotten the MD88 NYC had the seniority been correct) in ATL, he/she could now be given a different base? No change in aircraft, only in base? Will this latest class that just started last week be the only one with a change in Aircraft assignments and bases?

Bye Bye--General Lee
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Do you have any business being here? Why not go back to your own airline........
 
ACL65PILOT said:
From what I was told yes, I asked since I would have had a choice in aircraft and would have been converted a lot sooner. They told me that of VP made that decision and no one would be changing aircraft. Sucks for me, but it is what it is.
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Call your union rep. They may be able to help you out without dragging your name into it.

Later
 

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