United starts taking Pilot Apps on Monday

[rfresh]

When does the current contract expire?

As sad as it be, its a given industry wide that first year pay is gonna suck no matter who your flying for, it be United , or Fed Ex, but is there any talk of fixxing 2nd year and up pay scales in the upcoming contract.....

Yeah, that's true, the first year pay will suck no matter who you go with - but I'd rather take first year pay at FedEx than UAL. Amazing how the cargo sector has turned it all around - now the package cargo pilots are at the top of the pay scales!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Anyone else get this email?

Dear xxxx:



Thank you for submitting your application for the Pilot position with United Airlines. We are presently reviewing all candidate credentials for our pilot openings. In doing so, we have discovered an inconsistency in how candidates have recorded flight time on the second portion of the application. Therefore, we would like you to review the new Instructions for Recording Flight Time posted on www.united.com/pilot.

Please take the time to review the edited instructions and resubmit your flight time even if you believe you interpreted the instructions correctly during your initial application. Please fill out an online assessment questionnaire as soon as possible.

We thank you for your interest in United Airlines.



Best regards,
Human Resources Department
United Airlines

As if the instructions weren't already confusing enough. WTF, United? The "professors" live up to their reputation once again!

 

[whiskytangofoxt]

Can we lower the bar anymore?

 

[Ottersphere]

UAL App.

Yeah, like they couldn't have just used AirlineApps and added their own frickin addendum. What a pain in the ass this whole application has been.

The system won't even allow you to resubmit the secondary assessment they refer to in the email. WTF is right.

jr

 

[PCL_128]

just don't leave a good CRJ CA job for it (IMHO).

Such a thing simply does not exist. The job security at any regional makes United look like UPS.

 

[Whine Lover]

F- United...


YKW

 

[mhermann596]

Anyone else get this email?

Dear xxxx:



Thank you for submitting your application for the Pilot position with United Airlines. We are presently reviewing all candidate credentials for our pilot openings. In doing so, we have discovered an inconsistency in how candidates have recorded flight time on the second portion of the application. Therefore, we would like you to review the new Instructions for Recording Flight Time posted on www.united.com/pilot.

Please take the time to review the edited instructions and resubmit your flight time even if you believe you interpreted the instructions correctly during your initial application. Please fill out an online assessment questionnaire as soon as possible.

We thank you for your interest in United Airlines.



Best regards,
Human Resources Department
United Airlines

They fixed the assessment. You can fill it out again if you click on the link in the e-mail.

 

[slackass]

The application process is just a taste of the whole operation!

 

[westbound]

Before I start filling out the App. I was wondering if a person can fill some of it out then save it and finish it at a later date. Or once you start you must finish????

 

[Ottersphere]

UAL App

Pretty sure you can.

 

[Extrascorp]

Found this on another forum:


"But I have over 600 hrs PIC time in multi-engine piston, most of it as a MEI. Should I also count this? Any thoughts to the confusion. What is UAL definition of CA?"

PIC time performing the duties of a CFI it is not considered CA time for UAL purposes?

Any opinions ?

Thanks

 

[Getter]

Can we lower the bar anymore?

Nope. I think we've hit rock bottom man.

 

[Lear70]

I wouldn't say UAL is rock bottom.

I'd reserve that for places like Skybus, etc...

But this is a close 2nd or 3rd.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Hey Johny Chimp I just clicked on the link below, and I think I went right INTO your account and saw the questionaire. Please pull that link. Good Luck at UAL.

Anyone else get this email?

Dear xxxx:



Thank you for submitting your application for the Pilot position with United Airlines. We are presently reviewing all candidate credentials for our pilot openings. In doing so, we have discovered an inconsistency in how candidates have recorded flight time on the second portion of the application. Therefore, we would like you to review the new Instructions for Recording Flight Time posted on www.united.com/pilot.

Please take the time to review the edited instructions and resubmit your flight time even if you believe you interpreted the instructions correctly during your initial application. Please fill out an online assessment questionnaire as soon as possible.

We thank you for your interest in United Airlines.



Best regards,
Human Resources Department
United Airlines

 

[NoJoy]

Extrascorp on the app they ask about PIC time for non turbojet a/c with a max takeoff or 12500 or greater. This is where I listed my CA time. A few lines down the app askes for PIC time for a/c under 12500 (ie PA-44) I put my PIC multi time there. I know that I was not a CA of a BE-76, but they did ask so I listed my time. I have 1000hrs+ of tubine CA time so at least I qualify.
Certain parts of this app process are a little vague.

 

[HA25]

Ummmm.....he did say TAKE HOME pay. I think that's pretty accurate.

GP

good catch. That is what I said and intended.

BTW... I wish all the UAL guys a lot of luck, but I'm just saying, I can't see applying there now when DAL, UPS, and WN, NetJets are all hiring.. not to mention the dozens of good 91 corporate jobs and even some 135 operations that pay $50K start with 100K on the table.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

If U are responsible for the aircraft/you signed for it/you are the captain designated by the company then you log PIC. The instructor is responsible for the aircraft-they get PIC.

You are solo in your T-38/Cessna 150-you log Solo time. The instructor is responsible-no PIC time for you.

cliff
YIP

 

[IronCityBlue]

You are solo in your T-38/Cessna 150-you log Solo time. The instructor is responsible-no PIC time for you.

cliff
YIP

100% incorrect. If you're solo, you're PIC by any possible definition, and no one else.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

By FAA definition, solo is PIC. Unfortunately, we aren't trying to get hired by the FAA.

UAL, and virtually every airline out there, will not accept solo time as PIC time. The instructor is the responsible party.

cliff
YIP

 

[punkpilot48]

UAL, and virtually every airline out there, will not accept solo time as PIC time. The instructor is the responsible party.

So if I go and rent a 172 for an hour and Im the only one who ever even sees the plane someone else is the one in command?

 

[Lear70]

This is one of the reasons United is so screwed up in their hiring practices.

How can one possibly not be the PIC if you're the ONLY PERSON IN THE PLANE? Last I checked, they couldn't remotely take control of the aircraft if you screwed up...

Then again, if this is what you have to do in order to get over the PIC limit for UAL's application - maybe you should go log some more RJ time for a while.

Otherwise, if you don't need it to meet the mins, back it out of your time to err on the "conservative" side for their goofy logbook check.

 

[SoCentralRain]

This is one of the reasons United is so screwed up in their hiring practices.

How can one possibly not be the PIC if you're the ONLY PERSON IN THE PLANE? Last I checked, they couldn't remotely take control of the aircraft if you screwed up...

Oh for the love of god...

...for once and for all, if you DO NOT hold at least a Private Pilot cert. and you are flying "alone," you are logging, by FAA def. "SOLO" time. Your CFI is the one who's responsible for you here. It's his/her signature in your logbook that makes you legal.

It does not, however, make him/her able to log the time as PIC unless he/she is really desperate. Amoral and pathetic, too.

So, to summarize, if you hold at least a Private (or Recreational, I guess) and you're flying your 172 or Duchess or Seminole, you're able to call the time PIC if that's what you're doing in the plane (i.e. signed for it).

Clear as mud? Hope so.

Now, can we get back to listening to all the regional folks rant on and on about not leaving their regional to go to United? Those RJ's are comfy!

 

[IronCityBlue]

Hi!

By FAA definition, solo is PIC. Unfortunately, we aren't trying to get hired by the FAA.

UAL, and virtually every airline out there, will not accept solo time as PIC time. The instructor is the responsible party.

cliff
YIP

If UAL's app specifically says to exclude solo time from PIC then of course that is what you have to do. If their app said to exclude any PIC that was flown at night, then you would have to do that as well. When you apply to an airline, you have to fill out their grid the way they want.

But unless they specifically say not to include it, then you should include it. Not to pad your PIC time by that small of an ammount, but simly to make it as accurate as possible.

However if they really do think that the solo student is not the PIC and the instructor is, then all CFI's out there should take their solo time out, but put in the solo time of all their students. :laugh:

 

[igneousy2]

The tricky thing with the United App isn't that they don't count your solo time as PIC - with the exception of a few desperate outlyers - it is pretty well established that solo time is not PIC time.

However, United goes one step further and says that they only want your PIC time AFTER your COMMERCIAL.

"Report only the PIC/SIC time since you received your commercial certificate or military wings"

 

[skypine69]

MOD INPUT: GROW UP, WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE, AND ACT LIKE AN ADULT. NEXT TIME YOU WILL GET TIME OFF!!

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I didn't think UAL would get lots of highly qualified applicants.

From another board...

]...word around the DEN training center (called "TK" by UA peeps) is that there were only 600 apps after the first 3 days - they were expecting 3000+.

cliff
YIP

 

[AV80R]

How can one possibly not be the PIC if you're the ONLY PERSON IN THE PLANE? Last I checked, they couldn't remotely take control of the aircraft if you screwed up...

I think you're missing the point. They aren't saying your time is not pic, what they're saying is that the only time THEY want to count as pic is...

It's their prerogative...

 

[Lear70]

I think you're missing the point. They aren't saying your time is not pic, what they're saying is that the only time THEY want to count as pic is...

It's their prerogative...

Oh I don't disagree with you that UAL can make whatever requirements they want out of it...

I thought some people were actually on here debating that the pilot shouldn't be logging PIC time if he wasn't rated in the aircraft, i.e. a Solo student not having his private pilot's rating yet.

UAL has always had its own odd little hoops to jump through. The sad fact is that most EXPERIENCED RJ captains will take one look at put UAL at the bottom of their wish-list, just above SkyBus and Virgin America. Too many other good legacies out there hiring and about to hire, although I wouldn't personally go back into the red-tail system.

Good luck to all!

 

[AV80R]

Personally, I'd still pick UAL over Skybus and the likes. Who knows, the future United NorthContinental Delta Airlines might have a bright future after all. :laugh:

Ps. Lear - Good luck with y'alls TA, hope you get what you deserve.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

You mean, "what you negotiate", not "what you deserve", right?