Delta New Hire Class Breakdown?

[AirMorgan]

I know 25 more pilots started at DAL today. Just wondering how the aircraft bid went? What was the class breakdown?

Thanks,


A M

 

[c141ip]

5 ATL 73s
4 NYC 73s
9 ATL 88s
8 NYC 88s

 

[jetjockey#1]

What about the 75/76. I thought that was going to be an option? Anybody knows future plans for August classes?

 

[Flyby1206]

Anyone have the class breakdown from what other airlines/military they came from?

 

[FDJ2]

What about the 75/76. I thought that was going to be an option? Anybody knows future plans for August classes?

They'll be able to bid the 75/76 as well as any other fleet during a system wide advance entitlement. One is scheduled in early August, chances are if they want to fly the 75/76 they'll get it, but for the meantime, the MD88 and 737-800 are the new hire options for initial training.

 

[N1VIBS]

Anyone have the class breakdown from what other airlines/military they came from?

I know of 3 from ASA. Don't know any other info.

 

[On Your Six]

I know of 3 from ASA. Don't know any other info.

DAL should hire more from ASA in my opinion after they supported the furloughees a few years back. Good for them.

I read that 5-6 newhires got the domestic 757/767 out of ATL a few classes ago.

 

[800Dog]

DAL should hire more from ASA in my opinion after they supported the furloughees a few years back. Good for them.

I read that 5-6 newhires got the domestic 757/767 out of ATL a few classes ago.

Delta has hired alot of ASA people and will continue to do so. Glad to have them.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Delta has hired alot of ASA people and will continue to do so. Glad to have them.

Have you guys been able to keep the well known rjdc losers out. If so, it would be nice to have a list for when Northworst starts to hire we can blackball them or at least make sure they don't finish probation.

 

[General Lee]

They'll be able to bid the 75/76 as well as any other fleet during a system wide advance entitlement. One is scheduled in early August, chances are if they want to fly the 75/76 they'll get it, but for the meantime, the MD88 and 737-800 are the new hire options for initial training.

I was told 4 newhires were awarded DOM 757/767 FO a couple classes ago.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ACL65PILOT]

You guys will like to know this.
DAL has been awarding the seniority in class incorrectly. The contract stipulates that seniority will be awarded by the last four of your ssn. It also stipulates that it will go from highest to lowest. They have been doing the numbers in reverse for the first 8 classes or so. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Over 130 pilots have been assigned numbers that violate the CBA. This also may affect some of the AE's.

 

[FDJ2]

I was told 4 newhires were awarded DOM 757/767 FO a couple classes ago.


Bye Bye--General Lee

They might have been awarded the 757/767 with an advanced entitlement while in training, but I know of no new hire that got anything other than the 88 and 800 without first having the positions proffered through a system wide bid.

We also have some one new hires in the 767ER international category, but they got those positions after bidding on them in an advanced entitlement.

 

[michael707767]

They might have been awarded the 757/767 with an advanced entitlement while in training, but I know of no new hire that got anything other than the 88 and 800 without first having the positions proffered through a system wide bid.

Four pilots from the Jun 18th class got the 767 right out of training.

PS, I know this as a fact. I know one of them and have looked at his training schedule on the Deltanet.

 

[michael707767]

You guys will like to know this.
DAL has been awarding the seniority in class incorrectly. The contract stipulates that seniority will be awarded by the last four of your ssn. It also stipulates that it will go from highest to lowest. They have been doing the numbers in reverse for the first 8 classes or so. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Over 130 pilots have been assigned numbers that violate the CBA. This also may affect some of the AE's.

interesting. I just looked at the contract and you are right. Wonder how they will fix this...

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I just looked at it as I was reading it, and then I had a few people I know who are in class called me. I guess that they may be rebidding tomorrow. I wonder what they will do for the rest.

 

[jetjockey#1]

What a mess!! I wonder if the company will ask for a LOA retroactive to Jan 1st, 2007?

Also, do you get a PIC type rating when you complete training, or SIC only?

 

[737 Pylt]

What a mess!! I wonder if the company will ask for a LOA retroactive to Jan 1st, 2007?

Also, do you get a PIC type rating when you complete training, or SIC only?

You will get an SIC type on the M88 or 737.
When you go to the 757/767, whether int'l or domestic, you will get the PIC type.

737

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I am sure that the ones that already in class with numbers will keep them. It would be a legal nightmare to do it any other way. Plus all the ones screwed are on probation and do not have a say or legal right to anything, so they can do what they want. We are at will employees.

 

[49W]

Is there any way to know if your application is on file? I've had mine in since the beginning and I've never gotten a reception e-mail of any kind.

 

[Pat Fabin]

I doubt it'd be a big problem to resort the guys and let them out of any freezes they may be under. Its a moot point right now...most of the guys can hold the same stuff right now. Good thing this problem was discovered now vs. 500 more pilots from now!

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

They need to give me back my 2 months in NYC, haha. I was the cutoff guy for not holding ATL MD-88 in class... flipping the seniority order around would have had me be the bottom guy holding ATL maddog.

I don't care at all though... I'm fat, dumb, and happy in my seat now.


FYI, there were 6 new hires that got the ATL 767 straight out of training.

 

[igneousy2]

I am sure that the ones that already in class with numbers will keep them. It would be a legal nightmare to do it any other way. Plus all the ones screwed are on probation and do not have a say or legal right to anything, so they can do what they want. We are at will employees.

Actually the legal nightmare would be created by not doing anything now. Right now they could get away with just reshuffling everyone - maybe issue a few days off to smooth over feathers. The financial ramifications down the road could be huge.

Later

 

[jetjockey#1]

What do you mean guys, when you say you can hold a different equipment out of training. Does it mean, as soon as you finish your checkride, you go right back to training, or do you have to fly the A/C a specific amount of time. It just doesn't make sense for DAL to pay for two training cycles within 5 months.

Also, if anybody goes to class today, please let us know what's the deal on seniority, some of us, are now worry......not reallly, but I really want to know.

 

[Instigator]

Plus all the ones screwed are on probation and do not have a say or legal right to anything, so they can do what they want. We are at will employees.

That is completely false. You are protected by the CBA. The company can not just do whatever they want to you, they must abide by the contract.

Call your rep.

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

Cobra,
I really don't think you'll have to worry about that. My first airline was Comair, so I knew a lot of the RJDC guys. I don't want to be cruel, but I really don't think most of those guys are hireable. Most of them are older, no degree, grossly overweight, horrible attitudes, etc.

I also think there should be a boycott of Freedom Air and GoJet pilots.

Have you guys been able to keep the well known rjdc losers out. If so, it would be nice to have a list for when Northworst starts to hire we can blackball them or at least make sure they don't finish probation.

 

[General Lee]

What do you mean guys, when you say you can hold a different equipment out of training. Does it mean, as soon as you finish your checkride, you go right back to training, or do you have to fly the A/C a specific amount of time. It just doesn't make sense for DAL to pay for two training cycles within 5 months.

Also, if anybody goes to class today, please let us know what's the deal on seniority, some of us, are now worry......not reallly, but I really want to know.

There is no intial seat hold on equipment when you are hired, so yes, if there is a bid you could bid something else and go back to training when a slot opens. That is a lot of training in the first year, but some people don't want to live in a certain base or fly a certain plane. The second training is covered fully by Delta, including full hotel and per diem if in a different base other than ATL (the initial training had lodging for the first two weeks only covered by Delta).

As far as the seniority deal, I would think they would re-do the seniority list because it does affect people down the road (captain upgrade etc) and it was in the contract. As far as people already in training, I would think they would keep their current planes because everyone can now hold other equipment in subsequent bids that are happening frequently.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PCL_128]

Plus all the ones screwed are on probation and do not have a say or legal right to anything, so they can do what they want. We are at will employees.

Where do you guys get this crazy idea? Every probationary ALPA pilot is covered by the CBA!!! The only section you don't have coverage under is the grievance rights for terminations. You should notify the Council 44 FO rep just in case they haven't heard about this. The MEC will be able to file an MEC grievance to get the list fixed.

 

[AirMorgan]

From the DELTA contract:

"New-hires will be assigned seniority numbers on the basis of the last four digits of each individual's social security number. Individuals with the HIGHER numbers will be assigned the LOWEST seniority number".

When I read this I think it means 9999 should be the junior guy. Having LOW seniority means you are at the bottom... doesn't it (i.e. LOW guy on the totem pole). The guy with the lowest seniority is at the bottom. I could be wrong. And I certainly understand why there is confusion. Perhaps there should have been an example given.

Anyone in the current class with info please keep us updated. I'm interested in knowing if you had to re-bid.

 

[49W]

From the DELTA contract:

"New-hires will be assigned seniority numbers on the basis of the last four digits of each individual's social security number. Individuals with the HIGHER numbers will be assigned the LOWEST seniority number".

When I read this I think it means 9999 should be the junior guy. Having LOW seniority means you are at the bottom... doesn't it (i.e. LOW guy on the totem pole). The guy with the lowest seniority is at the bottom. I could be wrong. And I certainly understand why there is confusion. Perhaps there should have been an example given.

Anyone in the current class with info please keep us updated. I'm interested in knowing if you had to re-bid.

The number "1" is lower than the number "10"

 

[Sedona16]

From the DELTA contract:

"New-hires will be assigned seniority numbers on the basis of the last four digits of each individual's social security number. Individuals with the HIGHER numbers will be assigned the LOWEST seniority number".

When I read this I think it means 9999 should be the junior guy. Having LOW seniority means you are at the bottom... doesn't it (i.e. LOW guy on the totem pole). The guy with the lowest seniority is at the bottom. I could be wrong. And I certainly understand why there is confusion. Perhaps there should have been an example given.

Anyone in the current class with info please keep us updated. I'm interested in knowing if you had to re-bid.

That is true except for one word you are leaving out "number".....lowest seniority number. So if your ss number is 9999 and there were twenty people in your class the 9999 guy would be company seniority number 5000 while the guy with 1111 ss number would be company seniority number 5020.