80-100hrs of IOE at mesa??

[8AF]

Yeah, a friend of mine just get hired at Mesa with a less than 300TT. I'm happy for him but if you think about it that is scary.

 

[DrProc]

Can you die flying it? Then it's as real an airplane as it gets. People have died flying RJs. Not sure what is more real than that. The laws of physics will not be suspended for anyone. Not a B707 pilot. Not a RJ pilot.

Yeahhhh..... I'm not gonna even get into it.

 

[Inconceivable]

Do they still have the crews sleeping in the aircraft on stand-up overnights?

 

[Spooky 2]

Can you die flying it? Then it's as real an airplane as it gets. People have died flying RJs. Not sure what is more real than that. The laws of physics will not be suspended for anyone. Not a B707 pilot. Not a RJ pilot.

Was not looking to pick a fight regarding the merits of the RJ or RJ flying in general but just pointing out that extensive OE in and of it's self is not an indicator of a weak pilot but rather a comprehensive
upgrade program when generally low time pilots are involved.

 

[CRJCA]

Payscales have nothing to do with experience requirements, at least not in probationary years. If you dont believe me ask UPS new hires. Very strict requirements, including over-water experience and pay in the 20s. Yikes!

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[viper548]

I usually don't find myself defending SkyWest on here, but in this case, I'd rather the company protect the flying public and the employees already on property (Captains) than try to polish the proverbial turd. SkyWest gives its new-hires ample opportunity to succeed, those that don't probably shouldn't be flying the line anywhere.

I agree.

 

[Soverytired]

Do they still have the crews sleeping in the aircraft on stand-up overnights?

Yes.

Stand ups 14 hr duty day. 4 legs typical. Any sit less than 4 hours, the company gets 1 hotel room for the 3-4 crewmembers to share.

Most crews just say f-it and sleep on the plane; they get an extra 30-45 minutes of sleep that way, and who wants to go to a hotel room with one bed and one chair with 3 other strangers anyway?


This terrible scheduling policy more than anything else is what got me to leave Mesa, even with a huge paycut and uncertain future at another airline.

Somewhere along the line I realized that in the past 1 1/2 years I had spent roughly half of my sleep time sleeping in the back of a CRJ; it was killing me, making me hate my job, courting disaster as both pilots were routinely fatigued and flying anyway, and causing more sick calls in the past 1 1/2 years than my previous 6 years combined . . . when I said "ENOUGH".

 

[Palerider957]

...yet these crews mostly don't crash!

possibly thanks to the Wonder of Modern Technology?

Flight Directors?

Radar Altimeters? (Just flare when it sez "10")

?

Exactly right. The planes have become smarter, and smarter; allowing for pilots to become dumber and dumber.

As long as RJ's aren't falling out of the sky at an unacceptable rate, the FAA won't mind a bit if an SJS uber-pilot sits in the right seat.

 

[BoilerUP]

Can you die flying it? Then it's as real an airplane as it gets. People have died flying RJs. Not sure what is more real than that. The laws of physics will not be suspended for anyone. Not a B707 pilot. Not a RJ pilot.

That may be true, DD....but the transition from a Connie or Convair to an early jet was, I imagine, quite a bit harder than today's glass-panel trainers and light twins to a fully-automated regional jet.

 

[dash8driver]

Most crews just say f-it and sleep on the plane; they get an extra 30-45 minutes of sleep that way, and who wants to go to a hotel room with one bed and one chair with 3 other strangers anyway?

well that depends on what the strangers look like, doesnt it?