80-100hrs of IOE at mesa??

[JoeMerchant]

ALPA needs to push for higher 121 minimums..... No other profession has such low entry requirements.....

 

[Flyingdutchman]

... or payscales

 

[JoeMerchant]

... or payscales

They are directly related..... Higher entry requirements would result in higher entry payscales....

Based on the requirements, the pay isn't really that bad.....

 

[AutoBus]

A friend of mine at Mesa said the average IOE time is now runing 80-100 hours. Sims have been extened from 10 to 15-20 to accomidate the new skill level of the new hires! I'd be really nervous if I was a capt there. Doesn't the FAA have any oversight to say thats too much hand holding?

Some 1500 hour wundercaptain nervous? they don't know enough to be nervous!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Based on the requirements, the pay isn't really that bad.....

I'll take "self-esteem issues" for $100, Alex. Who gives a ******************** about the entry requirements...how about looking at the responsibility that goes along with this job instead?

 

[JoeMerchant]

I'll take "self-esteem issues" for $100, Alex. Who gives a ******************** about the entry requirements...how about looking at the responsibility that goes along with this job instead?

Tougher entry requirements will raise the pay..... It's really quite simple, but then I don't expect you to understand.

If the responsibility is so great, which I agree with by the way, then why do we allow people to occupy the seat when they shouldn't be there?

If your wallet is big enough, you can become a 121 pilot in 10 months. Can you become a doctor, lawyer, accountant, architect, or engineer in 10 months?

See the connection yet?

 

[T-prop]

They are directly related..... Higher entry requirements would result in higher entry payscales....

Based on the requirements, the pay isn't really that bad.....

Ya, in the early-mid 90's if you had 2500 hrs, an ATP and 1000 multi, you would be LUCKY to get a call from Mesa for an FO position on a 1900. According to your flawed logic Mesa should have been paying really well. They never have and never will. . .

However, recently a hiring bonus was offered for the first time for pilots, after they DROPPED mins.
(Mesa, Republic)

Hmm. . .

Ask a pilot who has been in this industry for 2-3 decades if he remembers the last time an airline offered a signing bonus to pilots. He will either choke on his sandwich or fall off his chair laughing.

The supply is weak compared to demand, therefore the value of the supply and competition for it is greater.

ECON 101

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Ity's funny that you believe that the pay should be higher, but you are the one advocating that ASA pilots cut and run with this current contract. So what is it? Which face are we talking out of today?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Ity's funny that you believe that the pay should be higher, but you are the one advocating that ASA pilots cut and run with this current contract. So what is it? Which face are we talking out of today?

It's funny that you don't understand the current situation. The pay SHOULD be higher. But "SHOULD" doesn't mean squat!

The pay SHOULD be higher.

We SHOULDN"T be competing with each other for flying within a brand.

The entry requirements SHOULD be higher.

I SHOULD be able to transport my experience across company lines, but I can't....

There is the SHOULD face, and then there is the IS face.... You have to deal with the hand you are dealt, not the one you SHOULD have been dealt...

I am dealing with one we have been dealt, you are dealing with the one whe SHOULD have been dealt...

If 121 regs required 1200 hours, this contract would already be settled......

 

[Stifler's Mom]

My parents didn't raise me to be the type of person that backs down from what he believes in. Sorry, but I refuse to put my tail between my legs on this.