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Flydaplane

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Wondering how many hours the brothers at Airtran are able to drop down to a month. At Midwest we can drop our trips down through FLiCA to around 50 hours if we want to, just get paid for those 50 hours but keep your benefits and full time employment benefits.
 
And it really came handy to me few times, I know I dropped down to 55 hours few times, its like getting an unpaid vacation if you can afford it.

My buddy at Frontier is telling me they can drop to a min of 75 hours during DAP, it will be nice to know Airtran's stand on this point.
 
I thought they would reject a SAP1/2 drop below 70. Will they accept a drop below 70?
 
AirTran will let you SWAP down to 65 hours during Sap I and Sap II. No straight drops allowed in Sap I or II.
 
FlyWolf said:
No, only for line holders. Reserve usually will not be able to use Sap1 or 2.

Lear, thanks
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OK I guess I'm confused. I thought DAP was for check airman and reserve (in their section with lineholders in their own DAP section). I still need to brush up on the contract sections regarding bidding and the schedule.

thanks for the info though, i really appreciate it.
 
FLICA Daily Open time

This has a drop feature. I have been able to use it in the past for a straight drop. I've gone down to sixty hours - used it to drop one trip which was up against a vacation I had planned.
 
On a side note... brilliant scheduling plan as usual.... ready reserve FO's sitting in the crew room while Captains are flying right seat.... unbelievable waste of money and resources but we are supposed to believe that the company will build efficient lines???? Have five names on my recall sheet so far... each that I asked signed... PLEASE Get a sense of urgency and solicit signatures.
 
Just thinking said:
On a side note... brilliant scheduling plan as usual.... ready reserve FO's sitting in the crew room while Captains are flying right seat.... unbelievable waste of money and resources but we are supposed to believe that the company will build efficient lines???? Have five names on my recall sheet so far... each that I asked signed... PLEASE Get a sense of urgency and solicit signatures.
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We have nothing called ready reserve here at Midwest, but remember having this crap (ready reserve) at my crapy commuter before coming to Midwest, could it be another TA point to discuss????
 
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Just thinking said:
ready reserve FO's sitting in the crew room while Captains are flying right seat.... unbelievable waste of money and resources but we are supposed to believe that the company will build efficient lines???? Have five names on my recall sheet so far... each that I asked signed... PLEASE Get a sense of urgency and solicit signatures.
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Wait a minute.

Let me get this straight. Airtran captains are flying as first officers while your union is in mediated negotiations with management?? And your mad at the union?? Am I hearing you correctly??

Holy hell, you guys have a lot to learn. Ever hear of personal responsibility??

Good luck, you'll need it.
 
We can drop a trip through FLICA. I have dropped down to 60 hours without talking to anyone, freedom was just a couple of mouse clicks away.


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What he said.......

Clyde Frog said:
Wait a minute.

Let me get this straight. Airtran captains are flying as first officers while your union is in mediated negotiations with management?? And your mad at the union?? Am I hearing you correctly??

Holy hell, you guys have a lot to learn. Ever hear of personal responsibility??

Good luck, you'll need it.
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I just felt that this comment was spot on and should be highlighted and reposted........
 
Yes, we do.

There's a core group of "me" Captains who just don't give a rat's about negotiations and are just happy to have a job,,, this is where the 10% of yes voters comes from. It's a bunch of crap, but nothing we can do about it.

The other 90% pretty much just says NO to the right seat CA flying as F/O.
 
I am surprised that CAs can fly as FO at all, outside of line check airmen. At DAL there is no contractual provision for any captain (other than LCA) to fly as a FO.
 
Understand this, you can't drop anything at Airtran!!!
It will always get denied due to insufficient reserves. Even if you are at 100 block hours. This place is a joke.
 
Haven't seen a CA in the right seat since March. We had several large FO classes come out around then. We are alot shorter in the CA seat this summer. Too bad the CA they are putting through class in Aug won't be line qualified until Thanksgiving. Don't know too many reserve guys getting less than 100 hours of pay this month. Should make for an interesting July and August.

I guess maybe it is a space limitation why two Delta CA can't fly together.
 
You can drop stuff at Airtran, just not on weekends. We have alot of guys that want to work during the week and not many that want to work on the weekends. That why over 75% of the reserve line work over the weekend.
 
Another question, how many buddy passes do you guys get a year? I know it was a measly 6 in 1999 but have they changed it? Here at Midwest we get 16 roundtrips/year. Hopefully AirTran has improved their pass benefit since then or maybe Midwest's pass dept will hold on through a merger. Midwests online listing website is really great.
 
likeitis said:
Another question, how many buddy passes do you guys get a year? I know it was a measly 6 in 1999 but have they changed it? Here at Midwest we get 16 roundtrips/year. Hopefully AirTran has improved their pass benefit since then or maybe Midwest's pass dept will hold on through a merger. Midwests online listing website is really great.
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Still 6. And the pass bureau still sucks.

Good luck dropping anything.
 
Midwest online listing website is not even close to good. It's slooooow and requires 5-6 different clicks to list yourself and 4 out of the 10 times I've tried to check in I've gotten error messages telling me to start over and so then I start over and get the same message. Compared to other airlines' listing sites ours is a joke. Had a buddy at Skywest list me for a flight there, he was able to process my cc # , list me, give me a conf #, and 2nd day fedex the ticket to me in about a minute and a half (no cost for the fedex fee either). It takes that long to load some of the pages on Midwest listing site.

Don't even get me started on our pass bureau and their 7 business days to process a ticket crap. How long does it take to write out a ticket. 7 business days? That is just pure crap!

Now the jumpseat listing is great and our jumpseat reservation system is one of the best I've heard of. Hopefully that can be converted to Airtran! Or at least a free jumpseat can be solidified by their new, newer TA ????
 
Flydaplane said:
Midwest online listing website is not even close to good. It's slooooow and requires 5-6 different clicks to list yourself and 4 out of the 10 times I've tried to check in I've gotten error messages telling me to start over and so then I start over and get the same message. Compared to other airlines' listing sites ours is a joke. Had a buddy at Skywest list me for a flight there, he was able to process my cc # , list me, give me a conf #, and 2nd day fedex the ticket to me in about a minute and a half (no cost for the fedex fee either). It takes that long to load some of the pages on Midwest listing site.

Don't even get me started on our pass bureau and their 7 business days to process a ticket crap. How long does it take to write out a ticket. 7 business days? That is just pure crap!

Now the jumpseat listing is great and our jumpseat reservation system is one of the best I've heard of. Hopefully that can be converted to Airtran! Or at least a free jumpseat can be solidified by their new, newer TA ????
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I haven't had any of those problems. Maybe user error? I can make a listing in 90 seconds each and every time. Lately I have been making 7-8 listings/week. Sounds like you haven't dealt with many other pass dept's. This one is a joy compared to AirTran's. The 7 busines day crap will be going away soon enough when they automate that as well.
 
At AirTran you can list your family or write "Buddy Passes" on-line, the problem is you have to do it from a network computer- either in ATL or at an out-station terminal . . . not from home.

If you fax it in to the "Pass Bureau" it will generally get done in one to two bidness days.

As for dropping trips- weekends are difficult to drop, but like the Stones song says, " . . . you get what you need". It just might take SAP3.

BTW, I invented the term "SAP 3" but I never get credit for it. Now, everyone uses it . . . it just ain't right.

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Lear70 said:
Yes, we do.

There's a core group of "me" Captains who just don't give a rat's about negotiations and are just happy to have a job,,, this is where the 10% of yes voters comes from. It's a bunch of crap, but nothing we can do about it.

The other 90% pretty much just says NO to the right seat CA flying as F/O.
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It's in the contract.
It's better than the Lance Captain program at Southwest. (If you care to hear my take on why, PM me your phone #).
It's voluntary.
If you're picking up extra time, then you have no right to get onto people who fly right seat.

Just my opinion.
 

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