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[Gutenberg]

What's the deal with FLOPs? I never see anything about them on the boards. Do they have a MDW base? What are their mins? Would anybody recommend flying for them? What is the schedule like? How do you apply because their website is very application un-friendly.

Thanks!

 

[dash_trash]

FLOPs

Haven't hired in well over a year ... the fleet has decreased by roughly 40% as has the number of pilots in the last couple of years ... no base at MDW ... schedule is an 8/7, which means we work quite a bit more for a lot less than our brothers at NJ.

It used to be a decent place but has been going steadily downhill since the arrival of our latest CEO ... hotels (bad), food (also bad), no vactions or forced to take vacation days when the company decides, health insurance through the roof, mgmt through intimidation, etc., etc., etc.

Wouldn't recommend applying ... maybe after we get a contract

 

[dime line]

Haven't hired in well over a year ... the fleet has decreased by roughly 40% as has the number of pilots in the last couple of years ... no base at MDW ... schedule is an 8/7, which means we work quite a bit more for a lot less than our brothers at NJ.

It used to be a decent place but has been going steadily downhill since the arrival of our latest CEO ... hotels (bad), food (also bad), no vactions or forced to take vacation days when the company decides, health insurance through the roof, mgmt through intimidation, etc., etc., etc.

Wouldn't recommend applying ... maybe after we get a contract

Lets not forget to give credit to his "side kick" as well, there joined at the hip

 

[jetwash]

I have been hearing that they plan to start hiring in August/ September.

Get ready to sit in the right seat of a BeechJet for about 7 or 8 years before you will have enough senority to upgrade.

Plus be ready to move to the Tier 1 city where they want you to live in. ( you can't choose anymore) I think ORD is a Tier 1.

I have also heard they will be looking for low time guys 500+ hours since they would be happy to work for the low wages just to get to fly a jet.

Good Luck

 

[dash_trash]

Haven't hired in well over a year ... the fleet has decreased by roughly 40% as has the number of pilots in the last couple of years ... no base at MDW ... schedule is an 8/7, which means we work quite a bit more for a lot less than our brothers at NJ.

It used to be a decent place but has been going steadily downhill since the arrival of our latest CEO ... hotels (bad), food (also bad), no vactions or forced to take vacation days when the company decides, health insurance through the roof, mgmt through intimidation, etc., etc., etc.

Wouldn't recommend applying ... maybe after we get a contract

Forgot ... that's only for those already here more than 2 or 3 years. The bottom of the list gets the totally awsome "Flex Schedule" ... good luck scheduling anything personal more than a month out.

 

[dime line]

I have been hearing that they plan to start hiring in August/ September.

Get ready to sit in the right seat of a BeechJet for about 7 or 8 years before you will have enough senority to upgrade.

Plus be ready to move to the Tier 1 city where they want you to live in. ( you can't choose anymore) I think ORD is a Tier 1.

I have also heard they will be looking for low time guys 500+ hours since they would be happy to work for the low wages just to get to fly a jet.

Good Luck

I can't wait to ASAP the first 500tt pilot that need some instructing. But I think that they will need the min 1200tt for 135 min (not that thats better)

 

[greygoose]

\schedule is an 8/7, which means we work quite a bit more for a lot less than our brothers at NJ.

Try a 7 on 3 off 8 on schedule for newhires.

 

[gunfyter]

Does the FLEX pay more?

 

[dash_trash]

Does the FLEX pay more?

You're kidding, right???? :laugh: Flops doesn't "pay more" for anything. Same poor pay ... only less time at home and don't know your schedule.

 

[TheBaron]

I can't wait to ASAP the first 500tt pilot that need some instructing. But I think that they will need the min 1200tt for 135 min (not that thats better)

Uhh... I think that is to serve as pilot in command. Yes...pretty darn sure of it.

 

[hammer2]

When can you strike?

 

[skyismyoffice]

Not soon enough...

 

[IronManNDFW]

Amen to that

 

[dash_trash]

When can you strike?

Need solidarity among the pilots ... still don't have that.

Need to motivate mgmt to seek mediation.

Then ... just maybe ...

 

[hammer2]

Isn't 15 on 3 off motivation enough?

 

[dime line]

Isn't 15 on 3 off motivation enough?

To a normal brain, you would think. Over here, I'm amazed how much some people can take a screwing.

Flew with a guy who lives in the middle of no-where, he said, " I don't need anymore money, how much does one really need" hes a copilot as well.....

 

[hammer2]

Sounds like PilotYip is the leader of the union at Flops.

 

[hydrarkt]

To a normal brain, you would think. Over here, I'm amazed how much some people can take a screwing.

Flew with a guy who lives in the middle of no-where, he said, " I don't need anymore money, how much does one really need" hes a copilot as well.....

We had some of those idiots a NJA too. Good thing they were in the minority. But you have to call those guys out because they hurt the group as a whole. You probably won't be able to convine them how much they're worth because they're already idiots if they don't know. Good luck.

 

[400pilot]

Isn't 15 on 3 off motivation enough?

It's 7 on 3 off 8 on 12 off.......

 

[B19 Flyer]

We had some of those idiots a NJA too. Good thing they were in the minority. But you have to call those guys out because they hurt the group as a whole. You probably won't be able to convine them how much they're worth because they're already idiots if they don't know. Good luck.

Hurt which group as a whole? So you are suggesting to call them out? Treat them like they are doing something wrong by not agreeing with the union? Are these the pilots who voted against the union in the first place? Why do you feel the need to pressure them to do something that they didn't want to do? It seems to me, like they have found a way to fight back against the union they didn't want in the first place. What gives the union the right to pressure these guys into doing something that they don't want to do? This is my whole premise against unions. Unions force their will on others that don't want there help. Just because you feel the need to be represented, doesn't mean that they feel they need the union help. You think that these guys are hurting the union cause. In my opinion, the union is hurting their cause, and I back their resistance 100%.

 

[jetwash]

Just because you feel the need to be represented, doesn't mean that they feel they need the union help.

I am sure none of them will not accept any raise in pay that the Union gets for them.

It will just show what kind of people they are if they take the raise without helping to get the contract.

 

[dash_trash]

I am sure none of them will not accept any raise in pay that the Union gets for them.

It will just show what kind of people they are if they take the raise without helping to get the contract.

The same kind of people who have requested representation when their job was on the line ... low and behold the Union represents them ... saves their job and they still don't pay their dues ... shameless selfishness.

 

[The Great One]

Isn't 15 on 3 off motivation enough?

the 7 on 3 off and 8 on does happen but then it's 12 off.
But too many people are scared of calling fatigue.
I do it everytime i get the 7-3-8.
3 days off isn't enough to rest, especially when you get home late on day 8. They get pissed, but they can kiss my a$$, i'm fatigued on day 1 of second rotation.

If only we had solidarity.........

 

[TurboHonda]

In my opinion, the union is hurting their cause, and I back their resistance 100%.

What cause? Look up the definition of cause and see if they remotely have one.

 

[hydrarkt]

Hurt which group as a whole? So you are suggesting to call them out? Treat them like they are doing something wrong by not agreeing with the union? Are these the pilots who voted against the union in the first place? Why do you feel the need to pressure them to do something that they didn't want to do? It seems to me, like they have found a way to fight back against the union they didn't want in the first place. What gives the union the right to pressure these guys into doing something that they don't want to do? This is my whole premise against unions. Unions force their will on others that don't want there help. Just because you feel the need to be represented, doesn't mean that they feel they need the union help. You think that these guys are hurting the union cause. In my opinion, the union is hurting their cause, and I back their resistance 100%.

So you don't want better pay, better schedules and decent work rules?? Yeah, I can see how that would suck! If you had it your way, everyone in the industry would continue to fly for whore wages and get treated like crap by the companies for the rest of their lives. I'm willing to bet that the majority an FO would like better pay, better schedules and better work rules.
Like I said previously, there were some guys like you here at NJA. They definately hurt and slowed the cause of better lives for the vast majority. Sometimes in life it's better to get behind a cause when it's good for the whole.

 

[B19 Flyer]

So you don't want better pay, better schedules and decent work rules?? Yeah, I can see how that would suck! If you had it your way, everyone in the industry would continue to fly for whore wages and get treated like crap by the companies for the rest of their lives. I'm willing to bet that the majority an FO would like better pay, better schedules and better work rules.
Like I said previously, there were some guys like you here at NJA. They definately hurt and slowed the cause of better lives for the vast majority. Sometimes in life it's better to get behind a cause when it's good for the whole.

Apparently, others don't have the same opinion as you.

 

[GerryG]

Babbling Bob

It seems to me that Bob, I mean B19 has a lot of time on his hands. For someone who characterises himself as a globe trotting, been-there-and-done- that with unions sort of guy he surely is busy on this site.

Are things so slow in that corner office at FLOPS that you actually have time to mess around on here?

Are you trying to buck-up an insurrection against the union all by yourself?

Problem is, your handlers have done such a good job of pissing us off that your job has been made difficult, hasn't it? Tough spot to be in, especially when you consider what happened to BB when he failed at NJ.

 

[B19 Flyer]

It seems to me that Bob, I mean B19 has a lot of time on his hands. For someone who characterises himself as a globe trotting, been-there-and-done- that with unions sort of guy he surely is busy on this site.

Are things so slow in that corner office at FLOPS that you actually have time to mess around on here?

Are you trying to buck-up an insurrection against the union all by yourself?

Problem is, your handlers have done such a good job of pissing us off that your job has been made difficult, hasn't it? Tough spot to be in, especially when you consider what happened to BB when he failed at NJ.

Bringing a union on to the property is tough isn't it? Not everybody wants it there, and not everybody is in agreement with those that voted it in. Reality, what a concept.

 

[buckeyes95]

B19, Since you seem to have such a big mouth full of opinions, do us all a favor and use it to promise that YOU wil not accept any wage, benefit, QOL, or any other improvement that a union contract will bring. Come on, be a man and stand up for what you believe in.

 

[learflyer]

You know, with out the internet, we'd all be much happier. Would it be known that Options blows? Or NJA is the greatest thing, or SWA "just wants to hire a bunch of good folks?"