Eagle gear up go around in SYR today

[regionalcap]

I smell a republican.... Go spy on your neighbours wife if you really have to. Spy camera's in airplanes are a bad idea. Work 15hrs one day, stay in a crappy hotel that night, next day take a little cat nap and your walking the unemployment line.

I think he is referring to cameras on the outside.

 

[yaya]

Then why say it? It would be human nature to say something. Thats all I am pointing out. No one's gonna sit there and watch an impending disaster unfold if they can help it.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I smell a republican.... Go spy on your neighbours wife if you really have to. Spy camera's in airplanes are a bad idea. Work 15hrs one day, stay in a crappy hotel that night, next day take a little cat nap and your walking the unemployment line.

Wasn't it a USAir guy that said something to the effect..."Put a camera in my cockpit, and I'll finally have a place to hang my hat."

 

[Harmattan96]

"NTSB Identification: DCA07FA050"

Injuries: 41 Uninjured.

There were 37 passengers and 3 crew members on board.


I am so very glad the NTSB knows how to count, guess our taxes don't allow for extra time to proofread their bollocks! Or maybe they count the fellow who was snapping pictures.

 

[regionalcap]

It might have been an unticketed infant on board.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

"NTSB Identification: DCA07FA050"

Injuries: 41 Uninjured.

There were 37 passengers and 3 crew members on board.


I am so very glad the NTSB knows how to count, guess our taxes don't allow for extra time to proofread their bollocks! Or maybe they count the fellow who was snapping pictures.

It might have been an unticketed infant on board.

He road the short bus regional

 

[CRJDispatchKid]

After looking at the ground chart in Bos I thought that might be th case. Engaged keyboard too early, sorry. This e-mail was sent to all embraer pilots at eagle today. interesting

Attention All American Eagle Pilots
Re: Update On Yyz-bos Flight
I Would Like To Provide An Update On The Latest
Developments Regarding The Incident That Occurred With
One Of Our Flights In Boston. As Many Are Probably Aware,
Footage Is Available Depicticting The Aircraft Contacting
The Ground With The Landing Gear Retracted. A Team
Comprised Of Representatives From Ae, Embraer, The Ntsb And
The Faa Have Conducted Tests On The Aircraft To Determine If
Any Mechanical Discrepancies Could Be Found. Initial Result
Indicate A Possible Failure Of A Landing Gear Component That
May Have Given False Indications To The Pilots That The
Landing Gear Was Down And Locked Prior To Landing. We Will
Provide Additional Details As They Become Available.
Thanks For Your Continued Professionalism, And Fly Safe.
Jim Winxxxxx

Tying A Capital Letter On The First Letter Of Every Word Isn't As Easy As It Looks.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

An unnamed large regional maintains company policy to NOT do a tower "fly-by" if you have three green as it could frighten the passengers. I wonder if they'll change that brilliant policy. Dumbarses.

 

[Slim]

Before I was hired, a Comair E-120 landed gear up after a gear disagree event. During intitial stages of the investigation, the scenario was demonstrated where the gear handle was selected down and the landing gear did not extend. When confronted with the results, Embraer admitted there was a "possibility" this could happen, but chose not to inform the operators. How much commonality exists between E-120 and jet LG systems?

 

[inthegoo]

Huh?

"NTSB Identification: DCA07FA050
Scheduled 14 CFR Part 121: Air Carrier operation of AMERICAN EAGLE AIRLINES
Accident occurred Wednesday, June 20, 2007 in Logan, MA
Aircraft: Embraer 135, registration: N731BE
Injuries: 41 Uninjured.

This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.

An American Eagle EMB-135, tail number N731BE, flight number 4539 initially landed with the gear up at Logan International Airport, Boston, Massachusetts. The crew reported that they had an indication that the gear was down and locked but right before touchdown, they noticed a landing gear lever disagree. They executed a go-around and mechanically lowered the landing gear. They were able to get the gear down and locked and got a visual confirmation that the gear was down. The flaps would not retract due to damage from contacting the runway on the intial landing, but the crew was able to successfully land the airplane. There were 37 passengers and 3 crew members on board. No injuries were reported. Eye witnesses to the first landing stated that they did not see the gear down on the approach."

Something smells funny, hold on........................nope my underoos are skid free

 

[hawaiimei]

We got a official statement from EMB stating that the

LGEU failed, thus showing three green on final. With the LGEU inop, the electric hyd pump failed to release the uplocks, or to lower the gear, and with no hyd pressure the doors of course did open. From what the manual says, when the electric hyd valve pump turns off ...that... is the signal to the EICAS to mark the gear as DN/Green (as insane as that is, it just means the pump stopped).

I can only guess that after 1200' AGL and 20 seconds the Gear Handle position disagreed with the 4 main gear position switches and signaled a Caution (why is it not a warning?) for a landing Gear/Handle disagree. The crew probably decided to continue despite the erroneous caution as the gear clearly showed down and locked in the safe positon....dismissed as typical EMB crap like the DAU4 overheat or WSHD1 overheat we see so often.

I have on one occasion had the "too low landing gear" and something like "too low flaps" aural warning at about 200' AGL, and we very regretfully both pointed to the EICAS and confirmed (I thought) that we had three green with the handle down, and decided to continue.

We landed successfully, and I have never thought about it again. Never again with the gear, or any message inside the FAF ever again!

Hell just this week we got a "too low terrain" and "pull up, pull up" climbing through 3000' off the departure end of 25(?) at LAX. It was a severe VFR day, and the mountains were clearly 20 miles off the right wing. We said, VFR disregard, had it been IFR you bet we would have gone 35 deg nose up and Max Cont to FL160 b but we could see that nothing possibly could be out there!

XJT FO

 

[N60OSU]

"ya, we saw the whole thing" Why didn't Jet Blue 475 warn them?

They're still pissed noone told them it was snowing...

 

[Oakum_Boy]

We're all guilty of ignoring little things here and there because if we didn't, these junk heaps wouldn't go anywhere.

 

[igneousy2]

If there was ever an airplane that could have a problem like this (gear not down with 3 green) it is the EMB145/135.

My guess is that the FA probably made a PA because somebody was in the lav just as the gear went down - which caused the guy in the crapper to freak out and flush - so you had the PA the crapper and the gear all going at once which made the GCU prioritize the load so that the PA didn't work, the gear didn't come down - but the crapper got flushed.

That is just my theory, I am not an aerospace engineer - but I was once friends with one.


Later

 

[igneousy2]

From the NTSB:

An American Eagle EMB-135, tail number N731BE, flight number 4539 initially landed with the gear up at Logan International Airport, Boston, Massachusetts. The crew reported that they had an indication that the gear was down and locked but right before touchdown, they noticed a landing gear lever disagree. They executed a go-around and mechanically lowered the landing gear. They were able to get the gear down and locked and got a visual confirmation that the gear was down. The flaps would not extend due to damage from contacting the runway on the intial landing, but the crew was able to successfully land the airplane. There were 37 passengers and 3 crew members on board. No injuries were reported. Eye witnesses to the first landing stated that they did not see the gear down on the approach.

 

[Headfake14]

Even big planes have weird failures. I haven't tried to find the report...but I think there was a Delta L-1011 the departed from the west coast. Something broke in the stabtrim system in such a way that the position signal was unaffected. The stab jackscrew drove itself to full nose up...but the trim indication was normal. They guys recovered that one...but it wasn't a fun ride.

I can believe that some crazy failure took place. It's a mechanical thing made by humans...eventually something unusual will happen.

I had a total HYD failure once that shouldn't have happened given the location of the leak.

 

[CHQ Pilot]

Not an NTSB Report, but some background info. I had heard the same story that it broke, but gave normal indications so they received no takeoff warning horn for trim. It was when it rotated prematurely that they knew that had a a big problem. ​

L-1011, San Diego, California
In April of 1977, a Lockheed L-1011 trijet, Delta flight 1080, had one of the horizontal stabilizers jam in the full trailing edge-up position prior to an instrument flight rules departure out of San Diego. This resulted in a large noseup pitching and rolling moment that almost exceeded the capability of the flight controls. The airplane was just about to stall in the clouds, when the Captain, using amazing insight, retarded the wing engine throttles and firewalled the center engine. This allowed him to regain enough control to maintain flight. The crew learned rapidly, continuing to use the throttles to supplement the remaining flight controls and moving passengers forward to reduce the pitchup tendency. They completed a safe landing. A less-capable crew would likely have been unable to save this airplane.​

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Not an NTSB Report, but some background info. I had heard the same story that it broke, but gave normal indications so they received no takeoff warning horn for trim. It was when it rotated prematurely that they knew that had a a big problem. ​

L-1011, San Diego, California

In April of 1977, a Lockheed L-1011 trijet, Delta flight 1080, had one of the horizontal stabilizers jam in the full trailing edge-up position prior to an instrument flight rules departure out of San Diego. This resulted in a large noseup pitching and rolling moment that almost exceeded the capability of the flight controls. The airplane was just about to stall in the clouds, when the Captain, using amazing insight, retarded the wing engine throttles and firewalled the center engine. This allowed him to regain enough control to maintain flight. The crew learned rapidly, continuing to use the throttles to supplement the remaining flight controls and moving passengers forward to reduce the pitchup tendency. They completed a safe landing. A less-capable crew would likely have been unable to save this airplane.​

After reading that last sentence, I'd almost swear that General Lee wrote that story. :nuts:

 

[yaya]

From the NTSB:

An American Eagle EMB-135, tail number N731BE, flight number 4539 initially landed with the gear up at Logan International Airport, Boston, Massachusetts. The crew reported that they had an indication that the gear was down and locked but right before touchdown, they noticed a landing gear lever disagree. They executed a go-around and mechanically lowered the landing gear. They were able to get the gear down and locked and got a visual confirmation that the gear was down. The flaps would not extend due to damage from contacting the runway on the intial landing, but the crew was able to successfully land the airplane. There were 37 passengers and 3 crew members on board. No injuries were reported. Eye witnesses to the first landing stated that they did not see the gear down on the approach.

Obviously the crew did a wonderful job! Kudos to them!

 

[FlyinFife]

Yes, but did they at least scrape it along the centerline?