CAL Increasing Hiring Starting July

[ToThePain]

Just heard from training here in Houston that they are not going to wait till September to resume hiring and will increase the number of classes in July. Specific numbers weren't give but it sounds like they are expecting a minimum of 2 or 3 classes for July.

 

[pkober]

Hire 500 between now and March 2008, per school house.

 

[geshields]

Hire 500 between now and March 2008, per school house.

I sure hope so, we needed more people about 3 months ago...

 

[The Victors]

Attention CAL future hopefuls...start saving every penny now. Sell the cars and move into low rent housing so that you may afford that first year.

 

[CaravanMan]

Attention CAL future hopefuls...start saving every penny now. Sell the cars and move into low rent housing so that you may afford that first year.

I know this subject is very broad since I've read other posts such as this, BUT, for you 121 guys, what's ballpark earnings for 1st yr FO at CAL? I've always been part 135, so I don't really know how the whole pay/bid system works in your world and how it = take home pay.

 

[ACWild]

Use the calculator from this link.

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/legacy/continental.html

Although guarantee is 72 hours, most people in their first year will average 90/month.

 

[Patriot328]

I know this subject is very broad since I've read other posts such as this, BUT, for you 121 guys, what's ballpark earnings for 1st yr FO at CAL? I've always been part 135, so I don't really know how the whole pay/bid system works in your world and how it = take home pay.

All told I made about $39k my first year at CAL as a 756FO. This includes per diem, both in training (about 1300/month) and per diem for being on the road. I finished training and was able to hold a line in about six weeks/2 months or so.

I picked up some opentime and messed with my schedule. $29.97 is pathetic..

 

[ApocketA's_145]

Just heard from training here in Houston that they are not going to wait till September to resume hiring and will increase the number of classes in July. Specific numbers weren't give but it sounds like they are expecting a minimum of 2 or 3 classes for July.

dont know much about CAL... are you in contract negotiations? and if you are what are the main points that you are focused on to change in the future contract??? thanks

 

[CaravanMan]

Thanks for your help, fellas.

 

[minrest]

dont know much about CAL... are you in contract negotiations? and if you are what are the main points that you are focused on to change in the future contract??? thanks

The company and the Union have agreed to early openers on our Dec, 2008 concessionary contract. The main points are going to be everything in the contract. Hopefully our Negotiating Committee will show up on Day 1 with a copy of our older contract, 1998, and use that as a starting point. Our current contract, '02 is, with the exception of scope, a POS.

 

[Hutchman]

dont know much about CAL... are you in contract negotiations? and if you are what are the main points that you are focused on to change in the future contract??? thanks

We are meeting to set up a protocall agrement. We will know more soon as to when the real negotiating will start. Main focus is Everything! There is alot of room for improvement on every section of the block of Swiss Cheese we call a contract.

 

[M3pilot]

I just heard that upgrades are happening very fast there. Can anyone shed some light on this?

 

[geshields]

I just heard that upgrades are happening very fast there. Can anyone shed some light on this?

Next system bid comes out in August. 3rd year folks (hire date: June 2005)should be able to hold EWR 737 CA on that bid...

 

[thor2j]

Attention CAL future hopefuls...start saving every penny now. Sell the cars and move into low rent housing so that you may afford that first year.

Why didn't everyone say this about UPS and American??? UPS was less until about 5 months go. And there pay rates weren't out of site like they are now. Yes the 1st year rates suck at CAL, but other places were just as bad.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Have you actually heard that, or are you hopeful?

 

[BoilerUP]

Our current contract, '02 is, with the exception of scope, a POS.

As a non-CAL affiliated regional pilot...please, PLEASE do not negotiate away scope in your upcoming contract. Look no farther than Delta, Airways, and United to see what happens when you let management outsource anything bigger than 50 seats...

 

[Deerkiller]

As a non-CAL affiliated regional pilot...please, PLEASE do not negotiate away scope in your upcoming contract. Look no farther than Delta, Airways, and United to see what happens when you let management outsource anything bigger than 50 seats...

Dont worry I have yet to fly w/ someone who is willing to give up the bigger RJs to the regional feed. Most of the guys are pissed that we had 274 RJs to begin with. I dont see this pilot group giving up scope.

 

[j3ben]

I agree with Deerkiller. No one wants to give that up!

 

[pkober]

Attention CAL future hopefuls...start saving every penny now. Sell the cars and move into low rent housing so that you may afford that first year.

Don't worry, I'm pretty sure you can re-apply after being turned down. I think it's six months or a year.

If you don't work here, why do you care? We're not the lowest paid first year pilots, believe it or not but some do actually pay the same. We go to a whopping $30.57/hr on 1 Jul which is the same as some other airlines (www.airlinepilotcentral.com).

 

[Captain X]

We're not the lowest paid first year pilots, believe it or not but some do actually pay the same. We go to a whopping $30.57/hr on 1 Jul which is the same as some other airlines (www.airlinepilotcentral.com).

True that--

NWA - $30/hour
USA - $25/hour

Kudos to DAL ALPA for maintaining new-hire pay at $49/hour and having snap-backs!

 

[ASAFOE120]

Whats considered competitive mins or is it just inside pull? how many recomendations do you need? Anything else help you to get an interview?

 

[ToThePain]

Have you actually heard that, or are you hopeful?

Not sure if this is directed at me so what I have stated on this thread comes from the person previous in charge of hiring that was in a sim with me. He said that classes would increase starting July.
Hopefully we will improve our contract across the board.

 

[catIIIc]

It was also in the MEC blastmail last week. 24 mos for july and august then 64/month after that.

 

[foreverfo]

You serious?? Alot of senior guys at CAL don't even know who XJT is and what we fly. Now they might, after 10 years of growing now shrinking. They voted in a substandard contract in '97 while letting their scope get loose, then they voted in a concessionary contract in '04...good luck in '08. You have "E-Jets" on property, they're called 3/500s..hold strong on the scope!

 

[Ex737Driver]

One reason for the incresed hiring is the number of new aircraft that are appearing next year. We will receive 18 737-800's and 12 737-900ER's, whcih is around 2 a month. Even with the optional loss of 14 737-300's (still pending), we will still have a net gain of 16 aircraft. Couple that with normal reitements, a few early out such as the 50 or so 777 CA's to Jet airways, some deaths and firings, and you are possibly looking at a MOAB in August.
I think we will see the 64 a month continue for quite some time and a minimum of 250 new CA's on the August bid, which should allow for another 400-600 new hires until next summer.

 

[Kugelblitz]

I know this subject is very broad since I've read other posts such as this, BUT, for you 121 guys, what's ballpark earnings for 1st yr FO at CAL? I've always been part 135, so I don't really know how the whole pay/bid system works in your world and how it = take home pay.

I missed all but 2 weeks of last year (hired 17JAN) and my first year pay as a EWR 737 FO was $23K as of the DEC 15th paycheck. Embarrassing for a purported major airline. We want high time pilots but don't want to pay them.

Try and tell someone in this company about the situation and all you get is "well I only made $15K", or, "you got to pay your dues", or, "we have 14 thousand apps on file so it must be okay".

I am a TWA/AA furloughee, and then I worked for Comair and observed many of the Delta pilots shamelessly pick up open time (and brag about it, that's how I found out) during the furloughs over there (not that APA didn't tell their own to do that as well), but with all that being said, this is truly the most self-interested and divided pilot group I have been a part of (after 6 airlines).

We have an opportunity to get a decent contract for everyone as we start our negotiations, and I personally have heard many $150/year Captains that I have worked with tell me that we should not ask for a pay raise. Just had one tell me that during 75/76 training in fact. After all, they are doing just fine. And a raise for new hires, forget it.

Don't even get me started on our work rules, oh wait, we don't really have any. And as for PBS, well that top 30% who is doing just fine just keep on rolling.

 

[Palomino]

We have an opportunity to get a decent contract for everyone as we start our negotiations, and I personally have heard many $150/year Captains that I have worked with tell me that we should not ask for a pay raise. Just had one tell me that during 75/76 training in fact. After all, they are doing just fine. And a raise for new hires, forget it.

Don't even get me started on our work rules, oh wait, we don't really have any. And as for PBS, well that top 30% who is doing just fine just keep on rolling.

don't worry too much. guys like this captain (doesn't deserve capitalization) are much less than 58% these days. they barely scooted the last contract under the radar. guys like him are afraid to fight for anything and the results are evident.

the company carrot-dangling will not work on angry dogs. we want the meat!

 

[pkober]

I missed all but 2 weeks of last year (hired 17JAN) and my first year pay as a EWR 737 FO was $23K as of the DEC 15th paycheck. Embarrassing for a purported major airline. We want high time pilots but don't want to pay them.

Try and tell someone in this company about the situation and all you get is "well I only made $15K", or, "you got to pay your dues", or, "we have 14 thousand apps on file so it must be okay".

I am a TWA/AA furloughee, and then I worked for Comair and observed many of the Delta pilots shamelessly pick up open time (and brag about it, that's how I found out) during the furloughs over there (not that APA didn't tell their own to do that as well), but with all that being said, this is truly the most self-interested and divided pilot group I have been a part of (after 6 airlines).



We have an opportunity to get a decent contract for everyone as we start our negotiations, and I personally have heard many $150/year Captains that I have worked with tell me that we should not ask for a pay raise. Just had one tell me that during 75/76 training in fact. After all, they are doing just fine. And a raise for new hires, forget it.

Don't even get me started on our work rules, oh wait, we don't really have any. And as for PBS, well that top 30% who is doing just fine just keep on rolling.

Sounds like someone has a case of the Monday's !! Or Tuesdays.

Don't sweat it Kugel, just put on some Rush and let the Hip Hop take you away.:laugh:

You forgot the work rules we had as CFI's at 3WE.

 

[Hutchman]

It was also in the MEC blastmail last week. 24 mos for july and august then 64/month after that.

I didn't see it in the blastmail. Where was it?

 

[CAL EWR B737]

I missed all but 2 weeks of last year (hired 17JAN) and my first year pay as a EWR 737 FO was $23K as of the DEC 15th paycheck. Embarrassing for a purported major airline. We want high time pilots but don't want to pay them.

Try and tell someone in this company about the situation and all you get is "well I only made $15K", or, "you got to pay your dues", or, "we have 14 thousand apps on file so it must be okay".

I am a TWA/AA furloughee, and then I worked for Comair and observed many of the Delta pilots shamelessly pick up open time (and brag about it, that's how I found out) during the furloughs over there (not that APA didn't tell their own to do that as well), but with all that being said, this is truly the most self-interested and divided pilot group I have been a part of (after 6 airlines).

We have an opportunity to get a decent contract for everyone as we start our negotiations, and I personally have heard many $150/year Captains that I have worked with tell me that we should not ask for a pay raise. Just had one tell me that during 75/76 training in fact. After all, they are doing just fine. And a raise for new hires, forget it.

Don't even get me started on our work rules, oh wait, we don't really have any. And as for PBS, well that top 30% who is doing just fine just keep on rolling.

All I can say to your post is BS! You haven't seen the Wilson Polling numbers I have. I will not break any of my confidentiality agreements but I can comfortably say our pilot group is very ready for the fight ahead called Contract 08 negotiations.

How about we stop negotiating on a public forum, stop taking shots at our pilot group and ready ourselves for the war ahead called Contract 08. Today One Hundred of your union Brothers and Sisters participated in a very successful CAL Stockholders meeting. Your MEC chairman along with the hundred pilots in attendance did an outstanding job letting our management, board of directors and stockholders that Continental Pilots are ready to fight for our fair share. Larry Kellner even publically stated several times our CAL ALPA phrase of an "On Time Contract" in reference to the Pilot's Contract 08.

Time for every one of our pilots to stop the infighting and prepare mentally and financially for the battles ahead!