ALPA to uphold and defend AAA/HP seniority list

[Guppiedriver]

I could give a sh1t less when it gets right down to it...I'm not employed by AWA or AAA...

Then go away troll.

 

[JT8D]

Then go away troll.

Have another one..

 

[FDJ2]

What's the source? Not surprised if this is true, but I thought they would wait until later this month.

ALPA Administrative Manual​

a. The Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties to the arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA. The Award shall include any agreements reached at the mediation step. The Arbitration Board will include in its Award a provision retaining jurisdiction until all the provisions of the Award have been satisfied for the limited purpose of resolving disputes which may arise between the pilot groups with regard to the meaning or interpretation of the Award. (AMENDED - Executive Board October 1991; Executive Board May 1998)

 

[BeCareful!]

ALPA Merger Policy. Worked then; works now.

Right....except that the "award" shows a complete lack of adherence to ALPA merger policy. That's why it ain't exactly "working."

 

[TWA Dude]

Right....except that the "award" shows a complete lack of adherence to ALPA merger policy. That's why it ain't exactly "working."

No, the Nicolau Award showed how one side had unrealistic expectations. You're entitled to disagree with the Award all you like but that doesn't make it any less legal or binding.

From the AWA MEC: (bold print added by me)​

June 7, 2007​

Fellow pilots, Last night, I sent out an autodialer message as a special update for all America West pilots and their families. It read as follows:

“This afternoon, MEC Vice Chairman Mitch Vasin and I met with ALPA President John Prater and the US Airways MEC leadership in Washington. Captain Prater delivered the message that he wants the MECs to immediately engage in a process to utilize the JNC and other parties to explore fences and other career progression provisions. I have discussed this with the MEC and we are unified in our message. No Thank you. We will respectfully decline Captain Prater’s immediate request. Our MEC is quite willing to engage in any process that gets our pilots closer to a joint contract, but only after ALPA has made it clear that it will not set aside or review the Nicolau Award. Your MEC is unwilling to enter into those discussions while there remains any threat that ALPA will do anything other than comply fully and properly with its obligations under Merger Policy – namely defend the Award and present it to management.
As always, please continue to fly safe and secure.”

At the meeting, the message I delivered was the same that was delivered to ALPA’s Executive Council in May. ALPA’s merger policy is clear – the arbitration panel’s decision is final and binding on all parties and we expect ALPA to defend this award. We expect that ALPA’s Executive Council will reconvene at the end of June and we also expect ALPA to effect the presentation of this Award to US Airways CEO Doug Parker and defend this award using all available resources. I have also asked our outside merger counsel, Jeff Freund, to begin reviewing all our legal options to ensure we carefully protect the interests of the America West pilots. The letter I sent to Captain Prater this afternoon responding to his invitation is attached.

I am pleased to announce that the AAA MEC clearly expressed that they are willing to continue to address both our pilot groups mutual collective bargaining concerns and continue the JNC process. To that end, the east and west JNC members have secured additional dates for the JNC process starting July 10 and going through the remainder of the summer. Additionally, I remain hopeful that we can find additional dates. To that end, the AWA MEC has authorized me to continue in the JNC process with the goal being that we can achieve a ratifiable tentative agreement by the fall.

 

[cactusboy53]

BeCareful;
I don't know where you are on the list, but have you personally read the entire award? Have your read the commentary by the pilot neutrals?

If you are that ticked off, what is fair about the #1 AWA now being #518? This award is ratioed and based on relative seniority. Does it seem right to place a 16.2 year AAA next to 6.5 year AWA? YES, if thier relative seniority is approximately the same.

The ALPA merger policy was followed to the "T". They awarded the first 517 to the most very senior AAA pilots. They fenced in the wide body flying for four years. Ratios with ties broken by AGE.

Here's another news flash: If Parker brings his checkbook to the table anytime soon, your pilots (senior and otherwise) that desire a decent raise, better bennefits, and more vacation time may jump ship for just that. Let's try those big pants on for a while, what do ya say little buddy?

 

[Soulfly]

Somehow, somewhere along the way someones age became a seniority factor. Interesting. AGE has nothing to do with seniority. Never has, never will. The AA MEC agreed to the furloughed guys being at the bottom via the transition agreement.

So lets see, a fence is agreed to. No new aircraft based in Phoenix. So all the 190 slots and all the planned growth (europe) at this point goes east. So 30 new slots a year for west guys. Oh yeah, scratch that, Prater will have finished the ONE thing he came to do. Change the age 60 rule. So, no movement at all for the west guys. Could someone explain the defintion of windfall. Oh yeah, that is only a one way street.


Peace

 

[skiandsurf]

Somehow, somewhere along the way someones age became a seniority factor. Interesting. AGE has nothing to do with seniority. Never has, never will. Peace

At MOST airlines, seniority IS based on age.

 

[BoilerUP]

At MOST airlines, seniority IS based on age.

Yeah, when you're a newhire...

 

[Freight Dog]

Seems like there is a confusion here about seniority vs. longevity.

AAA guys definitely have LONGEVITY. Sadly, their 1988 hire's SENIORITY holds a position of a narrowbody FO on reserve.