ALPA to uphold and defend AAA/HP seniority list

[Saabslime]

Prater advised both MEC's today that the executive council has no choice but to adhere to ALPA's constitution and by-laws in regards to the seniority arbitration between AAA and HP. The list will be presented to the company within the week....

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Well, looks like alpa will be off the property out east. Its going to be a long hot summer....

 

[becket]

It's the only honorable choice they have.

 

[two leg commute]

What's the source? Not surprised if this is true, but I thought they would wait until later this month.

 

[eaglefly]

Binding arbitration is binding.

What could ALPA do if they wanted to ?

If they're booted by the U pilots, I still see no change as..............well, binding arbitration is binding.

My guess is they'll blow a lot of wind or in other words, do all they can do.

 

[Saabslime]

WHOA!!! Before this gets out of hand, I did not post this and have no info as to what went down in Herndon today. Imagine my suprise when I get back from dinner and see a thread started by me??? I thought I had logged off the computer here at the Hilton but obviously not. Sorry folks.:0

 

[cactusboy53]

How cruel. Call CSI and get the finger prints!:beer:

 

[michael707767]

What's the source? Not surprised if this is true, but I thought they would wait until later this month.

yes, source please. I cannot find anything about this anywhere else.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

SAAB, delete the thread. Quick.

 

[AA717driver]

That IS a good one, though. Not your usual "gaypilotsassociation.com" or "kick-me-I'm-a-dumba$$" type post. TC

 

[Green]

just out of curiosity are any of you other Alpa pilots worried that Prater might throw this out? Throwing personal opinions as to the fairness of the award aside if Alpa does abrogate the award then AWA pretty much has a slam dunk lawsuit on our hands and guess who would have to pay for it? I would imagine it would be paid for by dues paying union members. I would think that fact alone will keep Prater from throwing the thing out but then again National has made many mis-steps during the last 6 years.

 

[Green]

Just out...

Prater wants the two MEC's to explore fences etc through the joint negotiation process. AWA MEC said thanks but no thanks. Once again the ball is in Praters court and he is probably starting to realize that he has done nothing but compound the problem.....oh well.

 

[ironspud]

Good for the AWA guys.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Like I said above... A long, Hot summer. Looks like there's gonna be more lawyers.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Note to self...cancel USAir east jumpseat reservation for next week. Check loads on Southwest.

PHXFLYR

 

[ultrarunner]

One things for certain...it'll be LONG time before a working-group agrees to binding arbitration again...IMHO.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Which might mean that MEC's will work harder to resolve their differences so it might be a good thing.

 

[JT8D]

One things for certain...it'll be LONG time before a working-group agrees to binding arbitration again...IMHO.

One other thing is for certain...once mixed cockpits start it's gonna make the old NWA Red book, Blue book, Green book days look like a trip to the local Dairy Queen..

 

[Bringupthebird]

I doubt anyone will voluntarily cross the Great Divide. Base shrinkage might force the issue, but I think US management will think long and hard before they do that.

 

[Fast43]

Which might mean that MEC's will work harder to resolve their differences so it might be a good thing.

Work Harder??????????????


We tried to work hard and Negotiate. AAA MEC would have none of it......DOH, sonny, thats the only way this can go.

We tried to work hard in Mediation. AAA MEC would have none of it........DOH, sonny, thats the only way this can go.

We tried to work hard in Arbitration. (as did the Arbitrator) AAA MEC would have none of it...........DOH, sonny (and you too old man) thats the only way this can go.


You need to ask your own AAA MEC why they worked so hard to arrogantly demand something so unrealistic.

As your rank and file are finding out. Your MEC wrecked alot of good will with their Preposterous demand of DOH.

How can you with a staight face say that AAA guys, Days away from liquidation, deserve all upgrades for the forseeable future and AWA guys, growing and hiring, deserve ALL the possible furlough risk for the forseeable future.

And now you want to work hard and negotiate.

I'm sure you do!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Larcifer]

Doesn't really matter what came out of arbitration if Good old USAirways is liquidated does it? You boys had better start figuring out how to play in the sandbox or your all going to be on the bottom of a list somewhere, can you say "newhire".

 

[PHXFLYR]

In regards to "figuring out how to play nice in the sandbox"; We figured it out long ago. The easties ,on the other hand haven't got a clue!!


PHXFLYR

 

[Larcifer]

In regards to "figuring out how to play nice in the sandbox"; We figured it out long ago. The easties ,on the other hand haven't got a clue!!


PHXFLYR

Doesn't really matter who has a clue when there's not a sandbox left to play in now does it?

 

[eaglefly]

Doesn't really matter who has a clue when there's not a sandbox left to play in now does it?

The question is, is WHICH group advocated peeing in the sand ?

Sounds to me like the U MEC are the "sand pissers".

 

[PHXFLYR]

Ding ding ding.."We have a winner!! Johnny,tell our contestant what he's just won....."


PHXFLYR

 

[Larcifer]

Ding ding ding.."We have a winner!! Johnny,tell our contestant what he's just won....."


PHXFLYR

I don't care who is right or wrong I'm just saying as a collective your going to end up with squat if you can't come to a more amicable agreement. Actually the rest of the industry would welcome the demise of USAirways. Keep up the hardline your doing the rest of us a favor.

 

[BoilerUP]

Keep up the hardline your doing the rest of us a favor.

Whose hardline stance caused the current "situation", again?

 

[PHXFLYR]

Don't confuse the old hippie with the facts. He's "Comfortably Numb"(just look at his avatar )and probably incapable of figuring it out right now.

PHXFLYR

 

[ferlo]

Doesn't really matter who has a clue when there's not a sandbox left to play in now does it?

Who cares if it goes out of business? I'd rather start over than let the East Side shove their idea of a fair list up my....you know.

 

[cactusboy53]

ALPA merger policy specifically states that when an award is delivered by the arbitrator (Section 45; H; 5; b and I; 1):

• Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties.
• The arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA.
• The merged seniority list will be presented to management and ALPA will use all reasonable means at its disposal to compel the company to accept and implement the merged seniority list.

This seems to be rather CUT and DRIED to me. Failure to do anything other that what is stated in the ALPA bylaws is an invite for serious legal problems. What about all of the other mergers?

I think there will be a SMALL percentage of West pilots willing to go to the "City of Brotherly Love" if for no other reason than the rants and attitudes. A small number of East pilots will transfer to PHX or LAS for quality of life. You guys will largely get your East upgrades....Why don't you give it a shot??