Airtran Union Board endorses TA w/ qulifications

[DougCorp-9]

where did ya see it. Why go to a 15 year scale. what the f**k over.

 

[gt1900]

Just got off work and was in the break room.. NPA was showing the contract.. It doesn't look too bad actually.. But there is some things I don't like... As far as pay goes, the pay wasn't what I wanted to see for 3rd year fo and 12 year capt.... I was hoping for 73-75 hr for fo's.. .I believe its around that at the end of 4 years.. I was also hoping for a little better than $167 hr for captains at 12 years.. I was hoping for 170-175hr.. However, 180+ for year 15 is pretty good.. I really believe the vote is gonna be close at first look.. But I have to see the entire thing.. The fo pay is still a little low I think.. Im leaning towards a "no" vote, but I will say, I originally thought I was just gonna p!ss on it, now i'm actually gonna have to read it..

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Say No to 15 year pay scale! Must stay at 12.

 

[EMBATP]

pay scales mean nothing without the work rules, language and scope to go with it

 

[gt1900]

I was told the scope was better.. But I really didn't get a chance to see it.. We will see..

 

[IronCityBlue]

Citrus contract questions

No more door closed to door open for pay. That equals NO NO NO NO NO NO !!!!!!

Guys I hope you don't mind me being a guest on your thread here. I was just wondering a few things about the TA.

What does the above quote mean, about no more door open/closed for pay? How else does the company propose they calculate it?

Is the 2:1 duty rig as its proposed now a daily hard credit, a per day prorated trip credit or a daily monthy look back?

Is the 2% 401(k) match is seperate and addition to the B fund?

I believe your current scope is everything over 70 seats (please correct if wrong) what is the new scope?

Does the new pay table still apply to all 'small narrowbody' flying, with additional premiums for 'large narrowbody' and 'widebody'? If so what are those premiums?

Thanks and best of luck over there whatever you guys decide.

 

[DougCorp-9]

Just got off work and was in the break room.. NPA was showing the contract.. It doesn't look too bad actually.. But there is some things I don't like... As far as pay goes, the pay wasn't what I wanted to see for 3rd year fo and 12 year capt.... I was hoping for 73-75 hr for fo's.. .I believe its around that at the end of 4 years.. I was also hoping for a little better than $167 hr for captains at 12 years.. I was hoping for 170-175hr.. However, 180+ for year 15 is pretty good.. I really believe the vote is gonna be close at first look.. But I have to see the entire thing.. The fo pay is still a little low I think.. Im leaning towards a "no" vote, but I will say, I originally thought I was just gonna p!ss on it, now i'm actually gonna have to read it..

Door to door pay is gone. That is a 2% pay cut right there. Younow have tio have a doctors note to call in sick(you are now a flight attendant). There is no retro pay. Please Please Please don't vote yes on this POS.....

 

[gt1900]

There is retro pay.. Or retro bonus... I will get around $3000 I believe.. Not good, but it is there..

 

[DougCorp-9]

Guess how many 15 year guys we have on property right now. ZZZEEERRROOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! By the end of this deal we will have under 150 out of over 2000 pilots at 15 years. The scale needs to stay at 12 years and be adjusted upward accordingly.

 

[DougCorp-9]

There is retro pay.. Or retro bonus... I will get around $3000 I believe.. Not good, but it is there..

How long have you been here. What is the bonus based on?

 

[gt1900]

just over 2 years... So far, most of the rumors I had heard before, turned out to be just that, rumors... And I have no idea what the retro is based on... I really only looked at the contract for about 2 minutes...

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Wow I'm sorry guys that was an insult to the profession and you. 5% what a Joke. Ask forklift Joe how his pay is doing and all of his options. Very sad

 

[Lear70]

Not even a full month's paycheck for "retro pay"/"signing bonus"?

Lovely.

The 88-seat Scope clause still doesn't rule out a 100-seat jet configured for business class. With 16 business class seats (4 rows), that's an 84 or 88 passenger aircraft (can't remember which right off hand).

Look at the change in work rules VERY carefully... I can't believe anyone is even CONSIDERING concessions in Section 1 or 5.

 

[GuppyWN]

If you are going to send a contract to your membership you don't do so "with qualifications." If it can't stand alone don't send it.

15 year payscales? You got an $8 per hour raise but it's gonna take you 3 more years to get it so is it even a raise?

"at worst case we're back at the table in 3.5 years because of our 6 month opening lead." Say what? Tell you what boys, WN had ONE YEAR lead openings before the contract became amendable. That was September 2005! We're not even close to a contract. Total eyewash.

Before you guys ratify this I'd remember that AA and UAL are looking for 35% raises.

Not my fight but I thought I'd lob one in.

Gup

 

[Lear70]

Guys I hope you don't mind me being a guest on your thread here. I was just wondering a few things about the TA.

Not at all, genuine input is welcome! :beer:

What does the above quote mean, about no more door open/closed for pay? How else does the company propose they calculate it?

Our aircraft have several reports built into the ACARS functions. In addition to main door, it also reports all other doors (service and cargo) open and close, as well as aircraft movement, brake set, etc.

They want to change the pay calculation to start when the aircraft moves back from the jetbridge. This is estimated by a couple guys to be a 2-3% pay cut on a monthly average, sometimes more, depending on what cities you fly into, how many ATL turns you do, and WX delay months (t-storms, etc).

Is the 2:1 duty rig as its proposed now a daily hard credit, a per day prorated trip credit or a daily monthly look back?

Don't know, the full T.A. isn't available yet for general consumption. If early indications are accurate, it's a daily credit look-back which can change if you're re-assigned/re-crewed. Get put on a shorter duty day, get paid less. Get put on a longer duty day, get paid more.

On average, it wouldn't ever increase any of my trips. I did a quick look-back for duty time and was, on average, on duty less than 10 hours a day. In that same analysis I also looked at loss of the 4 hour min day. It would cost me about 2-3 hours per month of pay (approx 5% pay cut) - I bid a lot of trips with 2-3 legs a day and long overnights.

Is the 2% 401(k) match is seperate and addition to the B fund?

Don't know. Been hearing it both ways, one as an add-on to the B-fund of 1.5% and one as a 2% 401(k) match that you have to contribute to get with the B-fund remaining the same. I'll post a comparison here in a couple days when I can see the contract - I'm off for a week and will be taking the time to analyze it in-depth.

I believe your current scope is everything over 70 seats (please correct if wrong) what is the new scope?

That's correct.

Current Scope for 70-seaters and smaller is tied to the number of aircraft we operate. The max is with the company operating more than 100 "mainline" aircraft, they can operate up to 20% as many 70-seat RJ's and smaller.

New scope... standby, data still inconsistent.

Does the new pay table still apply to all 'small narrowbody' flying, with additional premiums for 'large narrowbody' and 'widebody'? If so what are those premiums?

It put the 737-800 and the A320 into the SNB bracket which is a pay cut of 13%.

Other than that, data is still out.

Thanks and best of luck over there whatever you guys decide.

Thanks,,, hoping for a large NO turnout.