If Age 65 goes forward, how will that affect CAL's hiring or retirements?

[Pocono Pilot]

Bottom line, you'd be a fool to turn down CAL.

You're not the first to call me a fool for my decision. But I'd argue that only a fool would fly for a major airline that has a worse contract than their regional affiliate, and especially a fool to work for a major airline where you must go without health benefits for you and your family for half a year.

Have fun with all that for the next four to five years. I'll stay at XJT until I get a better job than CAL.

 

[zonker]

You're not the first to call me a fool for my decision. But I'd argue that only a fool would fly for a major airline that has a worse contract than their regional affiliate, and especially a fool to work for a major airline where you must go without health benefits for you and your family for half a year.

Have fun with all that for the next four to five years. I'll stay at XJT until I get a better job than CAL.

Argue all you want. You're still a putz for staying at a regional.

CAL doesn't have a good contract. But we have the best scope clause in the industry, and we can work on the rest.

 

[mamba20]

You're not the first to call me a fool for my decision. But I'd argue that only a fool would fly for a major airline that has a worse contract than their regional affiliate, and especially a fool to work for a major airline where you must go without health benefits for you and your family for half a year.

Have fun with all that for the next four to five years. I'll stay at XJT until I get a better job than CAL.

Are you curious how Colgans new Q400's are going to effect your operation up there? I've heard that CAL management would like nothing more then to get rid of the replacement jets that are in EWR.

By the way, I've got great health care for my family. You just have to do a little research.

One last thing, I'll have lots of fun over the next four or five years and even more fun when your pulling gear for me one day.

 

[flatspin7]

I dont think the age 60-65 thing will be as dramatic as people think it will be. Of the 250 guys (approx) who will retire next year I bet half will leave no matter what. I have talking about it with some of the 55+ guys Ive been flying with and I get a even mix of guys who will leave at 60 vs. guys who would like an extra year or so vs. guys who will fly until someone drags them out of the cockpit. Most of the latter category have 12 ex-wives or have some awful financial planning skills.
You also have to considder the rate of pilots having medical issues will increase after age 60.

CAL is getting 30 new 737s next year... They were planning on parking 15 of the -300s but in the last few weeks rumors have been flying around that we are keeping all or most of those airplanes. If CAL staffs 7 bodies per seat (14 per plane) that is 420 new bodies next year before retirements! It will be a minimum of 210 if they park the 15 300s.

So the way I see it is that even if AGE 60 changes on Jan 1 CAL will still have to minimally hire 210 guys next year.

 

[Pocono Pilot]

Are you curious how Colgans new Q400's are going to effect your operation up there? I've heard that CAL management would like nothing more then to get rid of the replacement jets that are in EWR.

By the way, I've got great health care for my family. You just have to do a little research.

One last thing, I'll have lots of fun over the next four or five years and even more fun when your pulling gear for me one day.

I don't want to stay at ExpressJet forever, but I do not want to work at CAL anymore either. As other airlines begin to hire, I bet you will see many pilots passing on the 'opportunity' to work at CAL.

It's unlikely that I will be yanking your gear, since I won't be at CAL.

If the age 60 rule changes this week or next, I doubt you will be in the left seat anytime soon.

Also, there's always that UAL merger rumor to think about.

Why are CAL new hires quitting again? I think I will save myself the grief of having to quit from there when a real airline calls me.

 

[zonker]

I don't want to stay at ExpressJet forever, but I do not want to work at CAL anymore either. As other airlines begin to hire, I bet you will see many pilots passing on the 'opportunity' to work at CAL.

It's unlikely that I will be yanking your gear, since I won't be at CAL.

If the age 60 rule changes this week or next, I doubt you will be in the left seat anytime soon.

Also, there's always that UAL merger rumor to think about.

Why are CAL new hires quitting again? I think I will save myself the grief of having to quit from there when a real airline calls me.

Obviously you're just a flamebaiting homo, since most if not all of your posts involve hammering off about how much CAL sucks.

Stay at XJT. You're doing the right thing.

 

[Pocono Pilot]

Obviously you're just a flamebaiting homo, since most if not all of your posts involve hammering off about how much CAL sucks.

Stay at XJT. You're doing the right thing.

So now I am a 'moron', a 'putz' and a 'flamebaiting homo' just because I don't want to work at CAL?

No, mainly it is because of the horid CAL contract.

So if it is so great, why are pilots quitting?

 

[zonker]

So now I am a 'moron', a 'putz' and a 'flamebaiting homo' just because I don't want to work at CAL?

No, mainly it is because of the horid CAL contract.

So if it is so great, why are pilots quitting?

I never said it was great, but if you can't see the future beyond the end of your nose, you deserve everything you'll never have. Only a jerkoff would stay at a place where career advancement is limited by someone else.

Which brings me to the two things we have here that you don't have there: Scope and a 12.75% b fund.

And I don't believe your story anyway. I think the gratification you seek would be more easily found if you spanked it to internet porn. So get busy with that.

To Recap:

Moron
Putz
Flamebaiting homo
jerkoff

 

[Pocono Pilot]

I never said it was great, but if you can't see the future beyond the end of your nose, you deserve everything you'll never have. Only a jerkoff would stay at a place where career advancement is limited by someone else.

Which brings me to the two things we have here that you don't have there: Scope and a 12.75% b fund.

And I don't believe your story anyway. I think the gratification you seek would be more easily found if you spanked it to internet porn. So get busy with that.

To Recap:

Moron
Putz
Flamebaiting homo
jerkoff

Ha, I make more as an ExpressJet CA than you do as a CAL FO. Also, maybe I cannot predict the future, but I do see a future at CAL as being very bleak.

Low pay, no insurance (even WalMart pays insurance), horrible schedules with PBS, no chance at upgrading when the age 65 is passed next week, and then a merger with United where CAL pilots will be screwed. Have fun with all that zonker. You will be living with that contract for 5 more years! Yah baby!

No thanks.

 

[Future Furlough]

Moreover, there's a [G]eneral [Lee?] uptrend

In public?! I'm shocked!:blush:

Sorry, couldn't resist. Sun was hot today, and the beer went down too easily.

 

[flatspin7]

Ha, I make more as an ExpressJet CA than you do as a CAL FO. Also, maybe I cannot predict the future, but I do see a future at CAL as being very bleak.

Low pay, no insurance (even WalMart pays insurance), horrible schedules with PBS, no chance at upgrading when the age 65 is passed next week, and then a merger with United where CAL pilots will be screwed. Have fun with all that zonker. You will be living with that contract for 5 more years! Yah baby!

No thanks.

OK I am pretty sure you are a flamer but...

Crappy Scheds.... I have been on line at CAL a year and get 16 days off a month with 3 weekends off... oh and productive too. Real crappy

Low pay-- year 3 737 pay is within dollars of 6th year capts pay at Xjet and oh yeah you top out a little higher... Short sighted

Merger with UAL... If CAL and UAL merge Xjet will be forced to big against MESA, CHQ, SKYWest for thier flying... oh but the branded flying will save you. 50 seats are the future. Yep I might get screwed in the merger but you my friend will be on the street just as fast and you wont have a seniority number to go back to.

I will grant you that it is pretty offensive that I had to go 6 months w/o insurance... Thats what contract time is for... and oh Xjet makes you wait 6 months for insurance too. I want it do get better so instead of sitting thier and whining about it Im volenteering my time to help make it better.

Enjoy the RJ... that probably all your going to see for a long time.

 

[Pocono Pilot]

Enjoy the RJ... that probably all your going to see for a long time.

Enjoy that embarrassment of a contract. That's what you will be seeing for a long time from what I hear.

 

[zonker]

Ha, I make more as an ExpressJet CA than you do as a CAL FO. Also, maybe I cannot predict the future, but I do see a future at CAL as being very bleak.

Low pay, no insurance (even WalMart pays insurance), horrible schedules with PBS, no chance at upgrading when the age 65 is passed next week, and then a merger with United where CAL pilots will be screwed. Have fun with all that zonker. You will be living with that contract for 5 more years! Yah baby!

No thanks.

No you don't. I make more than you and I do a whole lot less for it.

For example, last week I flew EWR-HNL-EWR and I was paid 20:10 for a 3 day trip. Then I took a week off.

What'd you do in your little turd cutter RJ?

 

[Nightrain_080]

What'd you do in your little turd cutter RJ?

LMAO....turd cutter. He probably has some swass in that turd cutter.

 

[Skyflyin]

You're not the first to call me a fool for my decision. But I'd argue that only a fool would fly for a major airline that has a worse contract than their regional affiliate, and especially a fool to work for a major airline where you must go without health benefits for you and your family for half a year.

Have fun with all that for the next four to five years. I'll stay at XJT until I get a better job than CAL.

I have to agree that the new hire contract is a very hard thing to live through, especially if you have a family. The one thing you are forgetting though is that you are not here for just a year, you wouldn't be here for just one contract. For most of the new hires we will be here 20, 25 or more years. Continental has the newer airplanes (with more on order), route structure and management team that will insure a bright future for this airline. With that success will come better pay, better rules and a better future for us when those next contracts come. Can you say that about all the other airlines? A very few.

Pocono, I don't think your a fool, I can understand why you turned it down. I can't say I didn't have second thoughts about it, but if you take a second to look at the big picture, your choice may have been different. Hopefully, you will get that next chance that your waiting for. In the end you will only know if you made the right decision after you hang it up at retirement. Good luck.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

I will grant you that it is pretty offensive that I had to go 6 months w/o insurance... Thats what contract time is for... and oh Xjet makes you wait 6 months for insurance too. I want it do get better so instead of sitting thier and whining about it Im volenteering my time to help make it better.

flatspin7,

XJT's waiting period for medical benefits is 3 months. That was changed from 6 months effective 12/1/04 with the signing of the new contract.

-Neal

 

[Cobra]

Argue all you want. You're still a putz for staying at a regional.

CAL doesn't have a good contract. But we have the best scope clause in the industry, and we can work on the rest.

Guy's who cares? If this guy wants to stay at xpress. That's fine. He may have done the CAL pilots a favor.

 

[Flopgut]

Guy's who cares? If this guy wants to stay at xpress. That's fine. He may have done the CAL pilots a favor.

I'll second that. The guy made a bold decision, and it could be a great one. I hope he does well, but let's try and prove him wrong on CAL.

Seriously, how are we going to deal with this change at CAL? Any chance we can surplus them to the bottom of the list?

 

[SteelerMan]

Pocono:

I don't think anybody cares what you decided to do, but you are obviously very proud of your decision, so much that you decided to post it several times on Flight Info. Good for you. The only person who probably cares is the CAL pilot who went to bat for you to get you an interview. Just curious why you would interview if you weren't going to take the job. You didn't know you had to wait for health insurance? Maybe you should do a little more due diligence before you interview somewhere next time. That way you could concentrate on the jobs that you really want. I sure hope you didn't spend any money preping for a crappy CAL job, that would really be a kick in your pants. Good luck.

 

[whymeworry?]

No you don't. I make more than you and I do a whole lot less for it.

For example, last week I flew EWR-HNL-EWR and I was paid 20:10 for a 3 day trip. Then I took a week off.

What'd you do in your little turd cutter RJ?

Yeah, unless you're in the top 30-40% on the sub-base staffing you'll rarely get this kind of a trip.