NETJETS Profits...UP UP and AWAY!

[Diesel]

If you want more than that then you have to either improve utility over last year or cut costs, something I havent seen demonstrated yet.

Funny how the pilots need to cut costs, but scheduling still is up to their old tricks. Pay for performance will be another way for the company to squeeze the bottom line out of the pilots well ability to be a type A personality and do the best by the company. While money gets shoveled out the back door from all the various wastes at the company. Oh yeah and they'll still take the coffee creamer.

 

[hydrarkt]

ooops

 

[hydrarkt]

Sounds like we agree on the profit sharing. I think this is a great way to get ALL employees behind the efforts to weed out the inefficiency and wasteful spending that we all see.

As for fatigue calls, I would never advocate that anyone fly sick or tired.

However, if a pilot has three fatigue calls in one tour then I'd suggest he may have a medical issue that needs to get checked out or he should stay away from the titty bars.

So
As for fatigue calls, I would never advocate that anyone fly sick or tired.

However, if a pilot has three fatigue calls in one tour then I'd suggest he may have a medical issue that needs to get checked out or he should stay away from the titty bars.

FG,
IF you had any credibility with me before, you've lost is ALL now. You have no idea about what it's like to be on the road with this company, in a long range, multi time zone, 14/10 operational environment.
If management is still thinking like you, THAT is a reason why we won't have better profits!! If a scheduler has that same view, then there is a huge problem. And I know that some schedulers DO think like you.
You think Diesel called in sick for a medical reason or titty bar? I happen to know Diesel. He may be ugly and like titty bars, but he's NOT lazy. On the contrary... he works his ass off. If HE is calling in tired 3 times, then there are good reasons. And most of the pilots at NJA are just like him. I would not hesitate to call in tired 3 times
in a tour. I haven't done it due to the nature of the fleet in which I fly and the better scheduling practices in the fleet overall in regards to rest.
Blaming less profits on fatigue calls is assinine. You say that we need to improve quality. Well, let's start with better scheduiling practices. Let's change the way schedulers are supervised and hold them accountable for stupid decisions.
Maybe as a manager there you should be optimistic about huge potential growth in Europe, the Middle East and even the US. You could look to opening the Asian market and growing the Middle East.
I understand that your low ball predictions are intended to suppress the expectations of the pilot group. I understand the concept. But it didn't work for you before... why do you think that it will work now?

 

[gunfyter]

Not to worry.

I have it on good authority our futures could not be brighter!

 

[FLYLOW22]

As for fatigue calls, I would never advocate that anyone fly sick or tired.

However, if a pilot has three fatigue calls in one tour then I'd suggest he may have a medical issue that needs to get checked out or he should stay away from the titty bars.

Great... then go away. You have made a very safe statement.

You aren't him and didn't make the decision to call in fatigue. You didn't fly his duty days (you haven't flown in years), you are judging a book by it's cover by saying that a certain number of fatigue calls in X days is bad (blanket statement).

...And for that matter, I can't think of a more soothing and healing location than the Tee Tee bar to soak up and absorb positive energy.

Think of that place as a oxygen chamber for Micahel Jackson.

Hell, we'd give you 200 Million in a single quarter if we had free passes to "Oxygen Chambers" around the country on overnights.

 

[pilotpat]

Hell, we'd give you 200 Million in a single quarter if we had free passes to "Oxygen Chambers" around the country on overnights.

Something to think about for 2010...:beer:

 

[gunfyter]

2010

We will be losing money by then. There will be no money for pilot raises.

The economy will be in the tank after Repeal of the TaxCuts for the Rich go into effect.

A NEW tax on private jet travel will pay for HillaryCare... and carbon offsets for Gorebal Warming.

There will be no furloughs though.

FamlyGuy will be VP of Carbon Offsets.

 

[Diesel]

When do you think we'll start losing money? 2009 or 2008.5? I mean it has to look somewhat legit.

 

[gunfyter]

I figure fall 2009. Furlough fear in spring 2010 right after the lovefest in Omaha

 

[FLYLOW22]

I figure fall 2009. Furlough fear in spring 2010 right after the lovefest in Omaha

No. By my count, we were set for Wall Street next.

 

[NETFLIER]

WHAT IS IMPORTANT HERE IS THAT THERE IS A BETTER FUTURE, WITH THE LINK BELOW, FOR ALL THE FRACTIONAL PILOTS AND PROFITS CAN BE MADE. COMPANIES WILL NOT GO OUT OF BUSINESS.

WWW.IBT1108.COM

 

[FLYLOW22]

WHAT IS IMPORTANT HERE IS THAT THERE IS A BETTER FUTURE, WITH THE LINK BELOW, FOR ALL THE FRACTIONAL PILOTS AND PROFITS CAN BE MADE. COMPANIES WILL NOT GO OUT OF BUSINESS.

WWW.IBT1108.COM

Ummm... that's www.ibt1108.org

 

[Fozzy]

However, if a pilot has three fatigue calls in one tour then I'd suggest he may have a medical issue that needs to get checked out or he should stay away from the titty bars.

Or maybe you should look to scheduling to make a schedule that is realistic! Funny I am starting to hear this same little saying from different sectors. Sure you will say it is because of abuse. The guys that actually do the flying will tell you it is because we are getting worked to death. Now run along you little troll. We don't need to hear from you till 2010.

 

[FamilyGuy]

And folks this is a classic example of management making a snide little comment so you second guess yourself before using the F word. They claim it doesn't happen but you've just seen it does.

I am sick and tired though... of your single-sided agenda.

It seems to me that one of the largerst impediments to NJA success is the draconian attitude that you spew. The sooner you figure out that pilots are part of the solution, the better we will all be.

Oh.. that's right. You USED to be one before you turned and rolled over for you master.

Cry me a river.

This board is filled with snide comments from both of you and yet you want to get your panties in a wad about one from the other side.

Maybe if you weren't so hypocritical then people would pay more attention to your input.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Funny how the pilots need to cut costs, but scheduling still is up to their old tricks. Pay for performance will be another way for the company to squeeze the bottom line out of the pilots well ability to be a type A personality and do the best by the company. While money gets shoveled out the back door from all the various wastes at the company. Oh yeah and they'll still take the coffee creamer.

Don't make the mistake of assuming that I was referring to the pilots with that comment. I am referring to all departments in the company. I'm sure scheduling has room for improvement, as does maintenance and other areas.

The message is still valid though, if we are to improve on the financial performance we need to either increase efficiency or cut costs.