NETJETS Profits...UP UP and AWAY!

[NETFLIER]

WHAT IS IMPORTANT HERE IS THAT THERE IS A BETTER FUTURE, WITH THE LINK BELOW, FOR ALL THE FRACTIONAL PILOTS AND PROFITS CAN BE MADE. COMPANIES WILL NOT GO OUT OF BUSINESS.

WWW.IBT1108.COM

 

[FLYLOW22]

WHAT IS IMPORTANT HERE IS THAT THERE IS A BETTER FUTURE, WITH THE LINK BELOW, FOR ALL THE FRACTIONAL PILOTS AND PROFITS CAN BE MADE. COMPANIES WILL NOT GO OUT OF BUSINESS.

WWW.IBT1108.COM

Ummm... that's www.ibt1108.org

 

[Fozzy]

However, if a pilot has three fatigue calls in one tour then I'd suggest he may have a medical issue that needs to get checked out or he should stay away from the titty bars.

Or maybe you should look to scheduling to make a schedule that is realistic! Funny I am starting to hear this same little saying from different sectors. Sure you will say it is because of abuse. The guys that actually do the flying will tell you it is because we are getting worked to death. Now run along you little troll. We don't need to hear from you till 2010.

 

[FamilyGuy]

And folks this is a classic example of management making a snide little comment so you second guess yourself before using the F word. They claim it doesn't happen but you've just seen it does.

I am sick and tired though... of your single-sided agenda.

It seems to me that one of the largerst impediments to NJA success is the draconian attitude that you spew. The sooner you figure out that pilots are part of the solution, the better we will all be.

Oh.. that's right. You USED to be one before you turned and rolled over for you master.

Cry me a river.

This board is filled with snide comments from both of you and yet you want to get your panties in a wad about one from the other side.

Maybe if you weren't so hypocritical then people would pay more attention to your input.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Funny how the pilots need to cut costs, but scheduling still is up to their old tricks. Pay for performance will be another way for the company to squeeze the bottom line out of the pilots well ability to be a type A personality and do the best by the company. While money gets shoveled out the back door from all the various wastes at the company. Oh yeah and they'll still take the coffee creamer.

Don't make the mistake of assuming that I was referring to the pilots with that comment. I am referring to all departments in the company. I'm sure scheduling has room for improvement, as does maintenance and other areas.

The message is still valid though, if we are to improve on the financial performance we need to either increase efficiency or cut costs.

 

[FamilyGuy]

FG,
Maybe as a manager there you should be optimistic about huge potential growth in Europe, the Middle East and even the US. You could look to opening the Asian market and growing the Middle East.
I understand that your low ball predictions are intended to suppress the expectations of the pilot group. I understand the concept. But it didn't work for you before... why do you think that it will work now?

If you'll read my previous posts you'll see that I did acknowledge that a big driver in our 2006 financial results was that Europe finally turned a profit.

Also remember that Europe took a long time to grow until it was profitable (10years?), and we did not want to take on the burden of trying to grow another market until Europe was profitable.

I also remember how many times Europe losing money was brought up in the negotiations and the pilots comments at the time were 'screw Europe, we dont care about that, we want our money now'.

With that in mind, do you really want the company trying to create a new market now? If not now, then when is a good time? Especially since we will likely have renegotiations every five years?

My profit estimate was my own honest assessment, and has nothing to do with trying to set expectations. I also gave my reasoning for the lower estimate, what is your reasoning for a higher estimate? Either way, we will all know in about 9 months.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Cry me a river.

This board is filled with snide comments from both of you and yet you want to get your panties in a wad about one from the other side.

Maybe if you weren't so hypocritical then people would pay more attention to your input.

Cite me examples of hypocrisy performed on my part "sir". I'll be waiting.

You are simply an Ass Clown.

It's input from the likes of you that will likely lead to the end of IBB. I have my own opinions about the ultimate conclusion of IBB, but we'll let it run it's course for now.

 

[vixin]

I must say I flew for a fractional that was and is run a lot leaner then NJ. I didnt call in fatigued but maybe three times for the 7 years I worked there. Not a slam but geez. Some just handle the time differences better. On D's side if he's tired he is tired. End of story!

 

[FamilyGuy]

Cite me examples of hypocrisy performed on my part "sir". I'll be waiting.

Show you examples of your own snide comments????

Where to begin?

Should I go with the top 10 all time, the top ten this month, or just limit the list to the last week?

Family Ghay,

Nice to see you back...

Well... they reconfigured the runways and taxiways at LAX for the A380...

I guess they can reconfigure the parking lot at CMH for Double Wide Trailers....

There is also a KY Team. At least on that team, you always know the score and which way scheduling is coming at you.

Go back in your hole puss sack.

Yeah. Except the photo I have has RTS having his way with the guy buried in the sand.

"Who's your Tulli? Who's you Tulli??" SMACK!!

Even our "lowest" is higher class than you. Shouldn't you be watching the Christopher Lowell show or something?

Care to look like a fool some more?

 

[FLYLOW22]

The meaning of hypocrisy

Show you examples of your own snide comments????

Where to begin?

Should I go with the top 10 all time, the top ten this month, or just limit the list to the last week?

Hey dumbass... RTFQ. I can PM you the meaning of this acronym if you require it.

I'm looking for hypocrisy examples, not examples of me treating you like you feel about labor.

For the slower members of our internet audience, namely Famly Ghay.


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For the death metal band, see Hypocrisy (band). Hypocrisy is the act of condemning another person, where the stated basis for the criticism is the breach of a rule which also applies to the critic. A person engaged in hypocrisy is called a hypocrite.
Though hypocrisy is frequently invoked as an accusation in debates, a few theorists have studied the utility of hypocrisy, and in some cases have suggested that the conflicts manifested as hypocrisy are a necessary or even beneficial part of human behavior and society.[1]


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My act of condemning you is not one where the stated basis is in breach of a rule that applies to me. I truly believe that you are a Monkey Sack. I mean that from the bottom of my heart.

Anything else you pilot-hating S.O.B.?

The information that I offer here is for all to use as they will. You are no friend of labor, pilots or me. Let's get that straight.

Had you not come out as such a Bung Hole towards this pilot group during the Summer of Love that we had with management in 2005, I might feel differently.

You can quote all the FLYLOW22isms you wish, one thing remains constant; you are a tool.

The most recent example? You questioning a pilot about how, when, why and the frequency of Fatigue calls. How dare you?

 

[RNObased]

Diesel calling in fatigued 3 times on one tour for example...

Then get scheduling some adult supervision. When you are scheduled for day after day of 13+ hr work days. Guess what happens, you drop the F word. If Diesel or myself doesn't use that out, guess what, bad things can happen that effect everyone, including you.

I can't believe you had the nerve to actually post that statement.

You truly live in a dream world when it comes to flying the line don't you. And don't say, "I go out on the road" Doesn't count. Not when you are cherry picking all the good trips, the good overnights and have your friends in scheduling taking special care of you. What a geek.

 

[Diesel]

How many times have we heard from upstairs, we can't give you more than 10hrs rest unless you use the F word?

You also can't switch the human body from flying nights to days 3 times in a tour. The body doesn't work like that. I'd be hard pressed to find someone's body that does and still be able to fly multiple transcons in a tour.

Thought long and hard about slamming FG but in the end I realized at the time my body needed more rest. All nighters, then days, then nighters again plus multiple 10hr turns. Is it the norm? nope but it is reality in our busy environment with no thought given to the human body.

 

[SCT]

Is EJM part of that 36M profit or do they report seperatly? Also, what did European EJ do this quarter?

Just curious-

 

[fischman]

Family Guy

You are wrong.

About what you might ask?

Everything.

And just as a reminder:

28.1 Duty Period Limitations​

Crew members will not be scheduled to exceed 14 hours of duty, except as provided
elsewhere in the Agreement. Any Crew member too fatigued to operate an aircraft as a
required crew member will contact the Flight Manager or Chief Pilot as soon as possible
and inform them that he cannot accept a Flight Assignment. Any Crew member making
such a call will not be required to act in the capacity of a required flight crew member
until such time as he is adequately rested. The Company will provide a crew member
making such a call with a rest period of at least fourteen (14) hours following the
crewmember’s duty period. The crew membercrew member is responsible to ensure he takes the
necessary steps to become adequately rested during this extended rest period. A
Company representative receiving such a call shall not request the Crew member to
continue flying. Further, making such a call will not subject the Crew member to​

discipline without just cause.


I was told by Mr. Santulli HIMSELF that he does not want me to fly tired. That is first hand communication brother.

I am protected by the contract. If I'm fatigued, I do not operate a vehicle.

How are you to tell anybody what fatigued is? Do you know Diesel's schedule? Did you know what was going on to him that week? Do you know when I'm fatigued?

On average, I call in fatigued at least once a tour. I do not abuse the policy. When I am too tired to fly, I don't


But I do want to give you a thank you. Flylow's quotes were awesome. Thanks for the reminders.

 

[gunfyter]

Is EJM part of that 36M profit or do they report seperatly? Also, what did European EJ do this quarter?

Just curious-

I believe it includes everything. Not broken down but NJE was said to have made a profit.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Hey dumbass... RTFQ. I can PM you the meaning of this acronym if you require it.

I'm looking for hypocrisy examples, not examples of me treating you like you feel about labor.

For the slower members of our internet audience, namely Famly Ghay.

RTFQ???

WDYRTOPYFM

Why dont you read the original point YFM (I can PM you the rest of the acronym if you need it)

I said you were a hypocrite for getting your panties in a wad about a snide comment when you've made hundreds of snide comments on this board yourself....

Anything else you pilot-hating S.O.B.?

The information that I offer here is for all to use as they will. You are no friend of labor, pilots or me. Let's get that straight.

Had you not come out as such a Bung Hole towards this pilot group during the Summer of Love that we had with management in 2005, I might feel differently.

You can quote all the FLYLOW22isms you wish, one thing remains constant; you are a tool.

The most recent example? You questioning a pilot about how, when, why and the frequency of Fatigue calls. How dare you?

Now I'll challenge you to show me where I've been a 'pilot hating SOB' and came out as a 'bung hole towards this pilot group'.

I work everyday with our pilots and count many of them as friends. I have the utmost respect for the job they perform day in and day out. If you'll reread my posts you'll see that I supported them in getting a raise for their hard work.

What I did not condone, then or now, is the disrespect and arrogance displayed by some towards our chairman and his appointed executives. There is no need in negotiations to turn to personal, negative attacks. It is unprofessional and beneath this pilot group.

Mr Santulli created this industry and all the jobs we all enjoy today. He deserves better treatment than what I've seen on this board.

If you are so ungrateful why dont you just go back to USAirways?

I find it abhorrent that someone with less than 5 years with this company could be so arrogant and disrespectful to someone who basically saved your ass from the unemployment line after you were laid off by USAir.

 

[FLYLOW22]

RTFQ???

WDYRTOPYFM

Why dont you read the original point YFM (I can PM you the rest of the acronym if you need it)

I said you were a hypocrite for getting your panties in a wad about a snide comment when you've made hundreds of snide comments on this board yourself....



Now I'll challenge you to show me where I've been a 'pilot hating SOB' and came out as a 'bung hole towards this pilot group'.

I work everyday with our pilots and count many of them as friends. I have the utmost respect for the job they perform day in and day out. If you'll reread my posts you'll see that I supported them in getting a raise for their hard work.

What I did not condone, then or now, is the disrespect and arrogance displayed by some towards our chairman and his appointed executives. There is no need in negotiations to turn to personal, negative attacks. It is unprofessional and beneath this pilot group.

Mr Santulli created this industry and all the jobs we all enjoy today. He deserves better treatment than what I've seen on this board.

If you are so ungrateful why dont you just go back to USAirways?

I find it abhorrent that someone with less than 5 years with this company could be so arrogant and disrespectful to someone who basically saved your ass from the unemployment line after you were laid off by USAir.

Listen to you...

"The Santulli who made this company from dust in seven days."

You are a space cadet.

WE ALL MADE THIS COMPANY TOGETHER.

We lose and win together. I think the company needed a lesson in what it's like to NOT have the pilots along as part of the team. They got it. Lesson over.

You are still a tool and I'm not negotiating with you. Tool.

You are not a pilot advocate. Never was.

You are no Labor advocate, never was.

121 flying is the past. I am about the future. I try not to look behind too much, all I see is ass.

WDWFRPOTFM? I have no idea what this means. Is this some kinda come on?

 

[FLYLOW22]

And to continue on...

I think it's pretty HYPOCRITICAL to say that you supported pilots getting a raise here at NJA yet daily posted anti-labor drivel.

Anyone paying attention knew where you stood. Anyone with a little insight knows who you are.

I'm sure you "work with" pilots everyday.

More on the "Santulli effect"...

I am happy to work here at NJA but I will NEVER be expoloited by management BECAUSE of my feelings. This type of exploitation always comes at labor expense. See: Shiny Jet Syndrome.

Santulli had a great idea. Labor was the muscle that moved the vehicle while he continued to steer it to keep it on the road. He had to take the wheel back from Boisture after we were headed for the weeds but...

That pretty much sounds like a symbiotic business relationship to me.

We need him. He needs us. Happiness can follow... or not as Union labor almost ALWAYS acts in respose to stimulus that management provides; good or bad.

As for my pay raise, I thank Local 1108 and nothing more.

I am all for happiness and continued profitability.

I'm all for MEGA HUGE profits... but I want a taste for my efforts.

Do you still need the PM containing the meaning of acronym?

 

[NJACrewservicer]

Maybe the two of you should take this to PM's anyway....regardless if you get the meaning to the acronym. The animosity the two of you have toward each other makes the separation between the 2 groups even greater.

(Yes, I know this is a public board and if I don't want to read it...yada yada yada.)

But, the 2 groups need to start working together better for the future of this company and the 'MEGA' profits we all want to see.

Cheers! (From the old days)

 

[realityman]

There is no need in negotiations to turn to personal, negative attacks. It is unprofessional and beneath this pilot group.

Ah FamilyGuy, how quickly we forget (or lose brain cells from having your head too far up management's a** to breathe properly)......

I can name at least one pilot who was personally attacked by management during negotiations. And he, essentially, did nothing wrong. And when it went to court and the court found in his favor, how did management react? Did they magnanimously admit they were at fault and put things right? Did they attempt to foster the good will of the pilot group? Or did they, at great cost and time, pursue this individual again and again in court, only to be repeatedly shot down by the courts, all the while squandering what very little good will was left in the pilot group.

I believe we all considered that a personal, negative attack.

I think I (FINALLY!!!) figured out who you are. FLYLOW was wrong to call you a 'pilot-hating S.O.B.' and a 'bunghole'. But only because he'd be moderated if he used stronger (and more accurate) terms.

You are not now, nor have you ever been, in favor of the pilots.