XJ to get 17 CRJ200's from 9E

[CFIfornow]

Per "My mesaba". The whip saw continues, not to mention staffing problems.​

 

[Grey Ghost]

To replace the 900's already? That was quick

 

[CFIfornow]

To replace the 900's already? That was quick

in addition to the 900's

 

[JoeMerchant]

Is this really any surprise to anyone other than the ALPA cheerleaders? Whipsaw works folks.... ALPA doesn't.....

Management is playing Chess, while ALPA plays checkers......

 

[Grey Ghost]

Whats your source nothing announced yet. Are they replacing the saabs?

 

[CFIfornow]

My source is the mesaba employee website. We are supposed to fly the saabs at least until the end of 2010 or 2011 (some one who knows for sure chime in) so I don't think that they are replacing anything. They're just parking 9e's airplanes with us to try to get their pilots to take a sh***y contract.

 

[OMG7778]

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix...yZXBvPXRlbmsmaXBhZ2U9NDg0Nzg1MyZhdHRhY2g9T04=

Item 8.01 Other Events
Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. (“Pinnacle”), a wholly owned subsidiary of Pinnacle Airlines Corp. (the “Company”), provides regional airline service to Northwest Airlines, Inc. (“Northwest”) under an Amended and Restated Airline Services Agreement that was effective January 1, 2007 (the “ASA”).
The ASA contains a provision that required Pinnacle and the Airline Pilots Association (“ALPA”) to reach a new collective bargaining agreement by March 31, 2007 to retain the 17 CRJ aircraft scheduled to be delivered to Pinnacle in 2007 on a long-term basis. Because Pinnacle and ALPA did not reach agreement by March 31, 2007, Northwest has given Pinnacle notice that it intends to transition the 15 aircraft delivered in the first quarter of 2007 to one of Northwest’s wholly owned subsidiaries expected to begin in September 2007 at a rate of two aircraft per month. In addition, Pinnacle will not receive the two remaining aircraft originally scheduled to be delivered in 2007. Upon completion of this transition, Pinnacle will operate a fleet of 124 CRJ-200 aircraft under the ASA (subject to further adjustment under certain circumstances as provided for in the ASA).
Because these aircraft were not committed to Pinnacle on a long-term basis, Pinnacle is entitled to the full amount of its stipulated unsecured claim in the Northwest bankruptcy proceedings. The Company still retains $42.5 million of this unsecured claim, and may monetize it in the near future. Any sale of this remaining claim would be treated as deferred revenue and amortized into operating revenue over the remaining term of the ASA.

Here is the link for the Pinnacle 8k filing.



This has Nothing to do with ALPA this is a management thing, NWA getting the 9e group back for not signing a substandard contract.

 

[Grey Ghost]

I just talk a buddy at colgan he said that in return for the Rj's 9E is getting Saabs in return to replace XJ routes, and Colgan may be doing Northwest stuff.

 

[Whataboutbob]

Its on Mymesaba Spanjers hot line news. Replacing Saabs is his Friday hotline news. They will have to keep us under the 79 a/c limit to keep pilots snap back provisions from taking effect. Soon Colgan will be the 4th NWA regional and Mesaba will be an all jet fleet. Im just speculating, lol

Pinnacle guys sorry about this news, XJ pilots don't prefer to steel others flying.

 

[JoeMerchant]

This has Nothing to do with ALPA this is a management thing, NWA getting the 9e group back for not signing a substandard contract.

OMG7778,

This has everything to do with ALPA.... they are failing ALL of us. Management is doing what it is supposed to do, and they are doing it well. They beating us over the head with the whipsaw hammer, and ALPA is helping them....

 

[xjmnpilot]

Hi this is John Spanjers and today is Thursday, April 26, 2007.

After Mesaba emerged from Chapter 11 protection this week, we received further good news concerning our fleet. As you know, two years ago, Mesaba geared up to operate 15 of the CRJ200s, but Northwest halted delivery of those planes after Northwest filed for bankruptcy. Today, I am pleased to announce that Northwest is reassigning 15 CRJ200 aircraft, currently operated by Pinnacle Airlines, to Mesaba.

In addition, Mesaba will continue to operate the one CRJ200 currently in our fleet and, in the near future, will also receive the CRJ200 currently operated by Compass Airlines, for a total of 17 CRJ200 aircraft.

We’re still working out the details as to when the first additional CRJ200 is to be delivered and obviously, we’ll need to hire additional pilots, flight attendants and mechanics. We hope to have more information shortly on each of these fronts.

Most notably, this addition to our fleet is a real credit to each of you. Your consistent commitment to excellence, even through difficult times, has demonstrated to Northwest that we can deliver high-quality, cost-effective service. Thank you.

We’ll update this number again next week and I encourage you to check MyMesaba for other company news in the meantime. Thanks for calling.​

 

[Hanger 10]

9e cant handle the 15 aircraft, Mesaba will be lucky to handle the 17 more on top of the 36. The saabs with red paint will be flown by MMMMMMMMMMMMMessssssba!!!!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Is this really any surprise to anyone other than the ALPA cheerleaders? Whipsaw works folks.... ALPA doesn't.....

Management is playing Chess, while ALPA plays checkers......

Joe-

As much as you like to sh!t where you eat and bite the hand that feeds you, I don't think the Pinnacle boyz are worried too much about the jets going to XJ. In fact, after all the crap the XJ's guys went thru, they can have the jets. If it brings some positives to the job, then good for them.

I don't mind working with the XJ guys to bring out positive change... What I do mind is trying to enjoy my meal all the while having to take nasty chunks of RJDC out of my mouth as I try to chew.....

ALPA is Joe Merchants personal career servant. When he is done sueing the organization and sucking our dues money, the rest of us, all 59,999 of us can have a shot....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe-

As much as you like to sh!t where you eat and bite the hand that feeds you, I don't think the Pinnacle boyz are worried too much about the jets going to XJ. In fact, after all the crap the XJ's guys went thru, they can have the jets. If it brings some positives to the job, then good for them.

I don't mind working with the XJ guys to bring out positive change... What I do mind is trying to enjoy my meal all the while having to take nasty chunks of RJDC out of my mouth as I try to chew.....

ALPA is Joe Merchants personal career servant. When he is done sueing the organization and sucking our dues money, the rest of us, all 59,999 of us can have a shot....

Didn't take long for Herndon's lap dog to come out and wave the ALPA flag... How is that Woerth/McClain/Wychor "Brand Scope" BS working out for those of you in the RedTail family?

Save your snake oil pitch for some naive new hire who may believe it.....

By the way, ALPA isn't the "hand that feeds me". My job is what pays to feed me. Industry leading payrates and workrules are of NO USE if my job is outsourced.

 

[Dodge]

I wonder if these aircraft will be the ones outfitted with the mud tires.
Hopefully these will not have the "auto flap deploy mod" that 327 arrived with.

 

[gnx99]

^ Now that's low.

 

[Ridgeback]

Will the 15 of 9e's crj' come with a carfax report?

 

[LiveStrong]

HA HA Ridgeback that was funny, Real creative.





Go drink some bleach you DINK!

 

[V1cutsrfun]

My source is the mesaba employee website. We are supposed to fly the saabs at least until the end of 2010 or 2011 (some one who knows for sure chime in) so I don't think that they are replacing anything. They're just parking 9e's airplanes with us to try to get their pilots to take a sh***y contract.

I couldn't agree more. How about this scenerio....(feel free to correct misinformation as I speculate)

What about a 3 way whipsaw? Park the Jets at 9E....pull the Saabs that Pinnacle owns and leases to XJ and fly them on the Colgan (9L) certificate, whic already has Saabs on the certificate. After the Saabs are all gone and the XJ "jets are on their way", put them back on the Compass start up certificate....which apparently has no aircraft on the certificate because it was "given" to XJ.

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[flyforfood77777]

I have always thought of Mesaba as a good company (in terms of its employees and operations), but this is yet another step downhill for the careers of regional pilots. This event had nothing do with the pilot group, but just classic NWA management. How is it that one ALPA carrier directly takes flying from another ALPA carrier when it already has a bunch of shiny new DC-9 replacements (with F.O.'s getting paid 30-seat t-prop rates I might add)? Good luck to all the NWAirlink pilots.

 

[Mesabi Miner]

It's funny. Big Bad Billy P. came in to RGS yesterday and told us that NWA had asked XJ for a bid on the 17 CRJ-200s but "had no idea" when the announcement would be made or if XJ would get them. He did say the announcement would be, "soon." Yeah, I guess this qualifies.

 

[PCL_128]

Congrats to the XJ pilots. Maybe now I won't get calls from Screw Scheduling every single day off for a junior man.

 

[IHateMgmt]

Thanks for the congrats... we don't really want them either. I think its safe to assume all XJ pilots vacations will be canceled for the next year or two.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Why do I get the feeling an announcement that the Saabs are being sent to Colgan is past due?? :erm:

 

[Papps]

those 17rjs were going to mesaba the whole time. Mesaba had a CRJ program but no CRJ's. They made a pitstop at 9E is a retarted attempt to get the group to sign off on another terrible contract. 9E was fresh out of carrots so they needed something. Its sad that they could only come up with a few 200s that we couldent even staff.

 

[Saabslime]

those 17rjs were going to mesaba the whole time. Mesaba had a CRJ program but no CRJ's. They made a pitstop at 9E is a retarted attempt to get the group to sign off on another terrible contract. 9E was fresh out of carrots so they needed something. Its sad that they could only come up with a few 200s that we couldent even staff.

Winna Winna Chicken Dinna!!!!!

 

[XJPilot547]

I'm glad to see that we're not on here slinging mud at each other. I think all the folks at XJ and 9E have read the NWA playbook. It's now Pinnacle's turn to get the screws turned on em. Don't worry, we'll take good care of the 17 until you guys get them back in a few years.

 

[BusDriver12]

those 17rjs were going to mesaba the whole time. Mesaba had a CRJ program but no CRJ's. They made a pitstop at 9E is a retarted attempt to get the group to sign off on another terrible contract. 9E was fresh out of carrots so they needed something. Its sad that they could only come up with a few 200s that we couldent even staff.

congrats to the pinnacle guys for not falling for this ploy, stay strong, we are all counting on you.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

we'll take good care of the 17 until you guys get them back in a few years.

If your company can do something about the "Brown stain line" in the middle of the flight deck seats, I'm sure the PCL folks will be thankfull:laugh:

 

[willbob]

I'am guessin that now XJ will need to give up a "combined rate" for 200/705

9E the XJ guys support you 100%

F NWA!!